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END OF DAYS v.2 review

Well folks, this was a fascinating evening at the movies.

I went for the third time to see END OF DAYS, not because it’s the type of movie worth seeing 3 times in quick succession, but rather... I was curious to watch the movie with a full blown audience.

You see, both times I saw the film was in ‘friendly to the movie’ situations. The directors, producers, family and friends of the film all in attendence. As a result you can expect to feel ‘more love’ than usual in the house.

But the main thing is... you are watching the film with only your own impressions and not the communal experience of watching the film with a regular audience.

Now, I still think this is a good Arnold film, but frankly... I’ve got a feeling that it is going to have a major second week plunge.

The film has it’s problems. There’s a couple of lines that Arnold delivers poorly, mainly the, “You’re a choirboy next to me!” one. The visage of satan as created by Stan Winston sucks, albeit this is only on screen for under 25 seconds or so... thankfully. And a bit of a GHOST moment that I could have done without, BUT... that’s about it for me.

The rest of it, I really get one hell of kick out of. And throughout most of it, the audience did too. By the time the film ended, there was a scattering of about a half dozen people clapping, then stopping when the audience didn’t join in. Followed by a very loud “BOO” from one person. And another saying, “THAT’S THE WORST FUCKING MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN!” This person has perhaps seen 10 movies I suppose.

I decided to play quiet mouse boy and listen to what people were saying. The main negatives that I was hearing wasn’t about cinematography or editing or performances or writing or any of that.

It had to do with making the Catholic Church out to be saviors. It had to do with the religious doctrine in the movie. All of the ‘mumbo-jumbo’.

I heard one person say, “When are they going to stop shoving this religious shit down our throats, nobody believes this crap anymore.”

The friends I had sitting on either side of me conceded that it was a good Arnold film, but then asked me how I could swallow that religious shit.

Hmmm....

I looked at them. And then said, “Did you hate RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK because of the heavy religious ending? How about INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM, does the portrayal of faith in Shiva disturb you? How about JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS? Does the depiction of Mt Olympus with Zeus and Hera and Hermes disturb and make the film unwatchable?”

There was a cross look on their face followed by, “But that’s mythology.”

Ahem. Folks... I’m not a deeply religious man. I haven’t been back to church since the service for my mother. Not because I’m angry, not because God ‘screwed me’. Not because I had doubts in faith or anything along those lines. I stopped going because I needed to get my life in order and felt the need to concentrate my energies in the direction I was taking in life.

Do I believe Moses parted the Red Sea? Can’t say, wasn’t there... didn’t see it. That pillar of salt thing... once again... wasn’t around. Walking on water? Wasn’t there... didn’t see it. I also didn’t see Jason fighting the Hydra or Perseus beheading Medusa. Does it mean they didn’t happen? I can’t say.

But someone wrote about it. When it comes to religious matters in film, I gather it in as I do all dramatic filmmaking. It’s all bullshit. Rick did not let Ilsa on the plane with that dude. There was no plane. Scarlet never had another day, at least not on film, that crappy mini-series never existed in my eyes. Even the stuff based on TRUE STORIES documented in HISTORY. If it’s film... I accept the fact that it is not reality.

I don’t believe it was Peter Hyams or Arnold’s or Andrew Marlowe’s intention to convert their audience into a fleet of Catholics. I think they set out to tell a story using elements of the ‘Satan mythology’ to create an action filled story to make some good money and entertain an audience.

So.... I give them that. Ok... for this two hours... Satan exists. He has to boink this girl in the last hour of the last day of 1999 and it has to be East Coast Time apparently due to some Gregorian Monks back at the dawn of these visions. Ok... I can give the filmmakers that much.

Just like, I can give Paul Verhoeven the ability to let Arnold’s eyes bulge out of their sockets on the surface of Mars while an ancient alien air-making technology creates a perfect human oxygen-rich environment that allows his eyes to re-enter his head with apparently no adverse physiological reactions to him.

I can also give James Cameron the room to let Arnold be a robot that somehow has organic living tissue surrounding a metal endo-skeleton thereby allowing it to be transported back through time to kill a waitress who may one day give birth to a punk kid that might grow up to lead a post-apocaliptic revolt that might very well give the human race a chance at living again.

All three of these things are... NOT BELIEVABLE to a sensible person... BUT... for the sake of having a good time in the theater... I allow it.

I never need a filmmaker to explain why Arnold has an accent and nobody in the film ever makes exception of it or makes fun of it... or asks him what the hell he just said. It’s ok... I think... Of course they know what he said, they’ve read the script. They know his lines.

This isn’t Arnold’s best film. It isn’t my favorite Peter Hyams film. But it is, for me at least, a good movie with significantly less problems for me than I had with THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH.

If you hate THE EXORCIST, STIGMATA, THE OMEN, ROSEMARY’S BABY, etc... because you really dislike all that ‘religious bullshit.’ If you feel Arnold Schwarzenegger is the worst actor ever created and a complete waste of your time, then perhaps you ought to see TOY STORY 2 or SLEEPY HOLLOW this Thanksgiving.

But... if you can put that behind you... Accept the basic premise of the film... well then you might very well enjoy yourself.

I find it amazing the vigor with which folks that are anti-religious take films like this. My one friend sitting next to me said, “Yeah, but what really scares me is all the people out there that will take this film and what it says seriously.”

AHEM...

Excuse me, but if you believe anyone is going to take this film SERIOUSLY and believe that this New Year’s Eve there exists an 18 year old virgin in New York that Satan’s got to fuck in order to rule the world, then... take a chill pill dude. I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that there will may be only 2 people in the entire world that will see this movie prior to the year 2000 that might actually believe this as being true, and both are out-patients of some rehab clinic somewhere. There is a disclaimer at the end of the film. It does say that none of this is true.

That means... Satan’s not true. Catholic Church stuff is not true.... and overall this is a work of FICTION. F-I-C-T-I-O-N. Meaning... Not real.

As I’ve said in the past about this film, it’s not as good as CONAN THE BARBARIAN, TERMINATOR 1 & 2, TOTAL RECALL, PREDATOR and TRUE LIES... but it comes in right after those. I prefer it to ERASER, RUNNING MAN, COMMANDO, RAW DEAL, RED HEAT, THE JAYNE MANSFIELD STORY, TWINS, JINGLE ALL THE WAY, JUNIOR, CONAN THE DESTROYER, RED SONJA, etc... Which I guess puts it in between the top and middle thirds of his career.

Some of you might hate this one, and I’m sure to be knocked around by some in TALK BACK pretty fiercely. But... What the hell, who wants to live forever?

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God Is In The Details
by Coffin Ed
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:40:13 AM
Strange
by cutshaw
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:48:20 AM
the endings
by kev
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:49:01 AM
Yeeahhhh, I have to disagree with you there
by Patrik
Nov 23rd, 1999
06:13:51 AM
Satan will return only if Arnold attempts Shakespeare
by Roann
Nov 23rd, 1999
06:41:00 AM
Wonder Woman
by nolanliang
Nov 23rd, 1999
06:43:27 AM
Harry is a big dumb ass!
by map to the stars
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:36:10 AM
Is Arnie God if he defeats the Devil?
by I'mAlanPartridge
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:58:46 AM
end of days
by max payne
Nov 23rd, 1999
08:09:48 AM
Anti-religious sentiment
by TelstarMan
Nov 23rd, 1999
08:57:41 AM
Religion V Dogma
by Mandala
Nov 23rd, 1999
09:40:50 AM
good review. . .
by MadBoy
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:13:42 AM
Uh, why people might've hated "End of Days"
by Admiral Nelson
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:16:42 AM
Arnold's cheese on the Tonight Show
by Smiles
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:24:59 AM
Religion in Movies
by jeffo4him
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:32:01 AM
Too right, Harry. Fucking puritans.
by Robert E. Howard
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:40:50 AM
Oh boy.
by Mandala
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:43:38 AM
Mandala
by MadBoy
Nov 23rd, 1999
10:52:40 AM
Great points
by gilker
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:03:02 AM
Let the movies be movies
by eegah
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:03:31 AM
One more day to go ....
by JON1969
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:10:35 AM
GO SEE IT AND JUDGE 4 YOURSELF!!!!
by GEEKBASHER 3.0
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:23:26 AM
Madboy
by Mandala
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:27:04 AM
I'm that nobody
by Alex Rogan
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:28:43 AM
Crap!
by cady
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:02:11 PM
"religion" in film
by Magnan
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:14:04 PM
Idiots....Conan the Destroyer was SOOOO Much Better than Barbari
by Skylewalker
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:22:57 PM
Mandala... I'll try a response...
by Mean Ween
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:26:39 PM
Skylewalker, you're on crack. . .
by MadBoy
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:29:49 PM
Put up with it, fr' chrissakes!
by twindaggerturkey
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:37:18 PM
Meen Ween ......interesting post
by Mandala
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:49:46 PM
Madboy & EOD
by Flmlvr
Nov 23rd, 1999
12:49:47 PM
That was a REVIEW!?
by MrEkoLetMeLive
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:03:48 PM
flmlvr, you lazy shit. . .
by MadBoy
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:03:48 PM
Mandala, I'll give it a try...
by Mean Ween
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:13:10 PM
You're right Madboy....
by Flmlvr
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:18:33 PM
Actually--
by Larry Cucumber
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:22:34 PM
I don't think it's religion itself, it's the portrayal of religi
by dennis
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:23:57 PM
CONTEMPLATE THIS ON THE TREE OF WOE!
by MadBoy
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:24:00 PM
Another religious debate on Aicn...
by Powerslave
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:26:34 PM
Last word
by Mandala
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:28:54 PM
Religion in movies...
by el-Orance
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:29:19 PM
and yet more--
by Larry Cucumber
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:29:46 PM
Mandala, whether you read it or not...
by Mean Ween
Nov 23rd, 1999
01:59:53 PM
Religion and Talkback
by gilker
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:01:19 PM
Religion & Commando
by ricky
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:01:22 PM
Hey, religion guy!
by nolanliang
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:09:34 PM
Why is there a problem with religion?
by Crickers
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:18:15 PM
Read Campbell....
by harp
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:28:42 PM
fake religion
by sprocket-bot
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:29:03 PM
Total unbelievability!!! (SPOILER)
by JoBlo
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:33:18 PM
Way 2 serious....or a shitty poem from FLMLVR to you
by Flmlvr
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:35:45 PM
ONE MORE DAY...
by JON1969
Nov 23rd, 1999
02:50:21 PM
Religion in Movies Redux
by jeffo4him
Nov 23rd, 1999
03:23:07 PM
Cheech and Chong and Arnold
by Powerslave
Nov 23rd, 1999
03:33:15 PM
AH-NOLD is this generation's John Wayne
by Citizen Pain
Nov 23rd, 1999
04:33:19 PM
Where's Pisso?
by Bregalad_
Nov 23rd, 1999
04:53:05 PM
Harry is a sick voyeur
by squonk
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:19:54 PM
Religion, faith, etc... WHO CARES! Arnold is gonna fight the DEV
by Funmazer
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:41:45 PM
As another token Christian ...
by tdibble1
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:43:06 PM
Mandala ...
by tdibble1
Nov 23rd, 1999
05:57:48 PM
End of Days!
by ass
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:19:42 PM
Barbarian v. Destroyer
by MarshHawk
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:27:52 PM
COMMANDO is the coolest flick ever !!!
by NormK
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:30:24 PM
RE: Gunray
by Flmlvr
Nov 23rd, 1999
07:49:54 PM
"The Devil and Arnold Schwarzenegger"
by Powerslave
Nov 23rd, 1999
08:01:15 PM
Religion in Movies
by LastEditor
Nov 23rd, 1999
09:49:24 PM
Religious themes are here to stay
by Jedi-hero
Nov 23rd, 1999
11:11:41 PM
Xtianity
by Chasuk
Nov 24th, 1999
12:09:22 AM
God in movies
by theman88
Nov 24th, 1999
12:21:16 AM
One last word on the subject....
by jeffo4him
Nov 24th, 1999
12:55:40 AM
just dont understand some things
by Bl!nd
Nov 24th, 1999
01:17:42 AM
Robin Tunney Topless?
by Tyrano
Nov 24th, 1999
01:18:06 AM
Citizen Idiot
by JeffCNN
Nov 24th, 1999
01:56:21 AM
DOES ANYONE SCROLL THIS FAR DOWN?
by zinger
Nov 24th, 1999
07:32:54 AM
JeffCNNutjob
by Citizen Pain
Nov 24th, 1999
09:49:26 AM
TONIGHT I WILL KNOW....
by JON1969
Nov 24th, 1999
05:40:38 PM
I hope it's good
by Brando
Nov 24th, 1999
07:35:49 PM
what you call phony-
by nticknor
Nov 24th, 1999
07:57:43 PM
I have seen the EOD and survived....but will Hyams?
by Flmlvr
Nov 24th, 1999
08:53:17 PM
Forgot to add...
by Flmlvr
Nov 24th, 1999
08:55:36 PM
Please, NO MORE
by knowlin
Nov 25th, 1999
12:31:47 AM
End Of Days??? Bad??? Hardly!
by Private_Hudson
Nov 25th, 1999
12:47:48 AM
END OF DAYS = Mediocre movie
by Darth Siskel
Nov 25th, 1999
01:13:51 AM
POOR Delivery and Development and What Could work.
by Integra
Nov 25th, 1999
01:42:29 AM
Harry, cut to the chase....
by Wilko
Nov 25th, 1999
06:20:09 AM
No no no no no!!!!!!
by Fairlane
Nov 25th, 1999
06:35:36 AM
Damn folks....
by Capt FUBAR
Nov 25th, 1999
01:17:13 PM
Dr. Amygdala
by Psychopompous
Nov 25th, 1999
10:05:49 PM
unsu you're kidding right?
by mitsurugi777
Nov 26th, 1999
10:10:30 AM
WHAT ARE YOU DUMBASS FOOLS TALKING ABOUT!?? "END OF DAYS" WAS GO
by sexualchocolate1
Nov 26th, 1999
11:25:24 AM
WHAT ARE YOU DUMBASS FOOLS TALKING ABOUT!?? "END OF DAYS" WAS GO
by sexualchocolate1
Nov 26th, 1999
01:10:34 PM
Anti-religion
by Jeff Dee
Nov 26th, 1999
02:12:02 PM
End Of Days
by Nephteri
Nov 26th, 1999
05:42:46 PM
Cool
by prajadhipok
Nov 26th, 1999
06:34:18 PM
Hollywood and Religion
by Sorcerer
Nov 26th, 1999
10:59:42 PM
EOD not great but not bad either
by The Big T
Nov 27th, 1999
02:07:30 AM
I've seen it yesterday here in Italy...
by Simon-T
Nov 27th, 1999
05:17:17 AM
Ummmmmm.....
by Sam Lowry
Nov 27th, 1999
03:28:56 PM
Did anybody notice...
by GODOBLITERATER
Nov 27th, 1999
09:01:43 PM
This was a horrible movie
by Zeframcochrane
Nov 27th, 1999
11:24:54 PM
knowlin & this crap...
by ship
Nov 28th, 1999
12:23:42 AM
did anyone notice....part 2
by ship
Nov 28th, 1999
12:47:34 AM
Damn! I really wanted to hate this movie alot more!
by Cthulu
Nov 28th, 1999
02:22:46 AM
End of Days v.2
by Lady IZ
Nov 28th, 1999
11:06:50 AM
Bad Movie
by Trevor
Nov 28th, 1999
04:01:18 PM
end of days
by kadkins
Nov 28th, 1999
11:06:48 PM
Destroyer better than Barbarian? HA
by Drum1979
Nov 29th, 1999
04:33:29 AM
Arnold Fever
by Miklagard
Nov 29th, 1999
05:18:43 AM
I KNOW THE TRUTH...
by JON1969
Nov 29th, 1999
10:57:21 AM
Re: SSZero
by Sorcerer
Nov 29th, 1999
08:09:37 PM
End of Days review
by phartel
Nov 30th, 1999
12:03:32 AM
Changing Views
by Sorcerer
Dec 1st, 1999
11:22:56 AM
the endings of the movie
by JohnMurdoch
Dec 1st, 1999
11:21:39 PM
Harry, you live in a microcosm...
by Hanover Fyst
Dec 2nd, 1999
01:18:08 PM
End of Days
by fidian
Dec 3rd, 1999
12:34:32 PM
RAIDERs questions
by jeffcdo
Dec 3rd, 1999
07:12:42 PM
End of Days Review
by jonty
Dec 3rd, 1999
07:25:03 PM
frozen fritz says
by frozen
Dec 7th, 1999
10:58:53 AM
End of Story...
by SteveZ
Dec 7th, 1999
05:18:30 PM
End Of Days-"C" grade from me
by darren
Dec 7th, 1999
06:25:34 PM
On a side note....
by darren
Dec 7th, 1999
06:35:58 PM
end of days...See it!
by congo
Dec 8th, 1999
12:02:36 AM
End of Days
by Aicntb
Dec 9th, 1999
04:30:59 PM
The problem is Arnie
by Fearbank
Dec 10th, 1999
04:24:17 PM
USUAL SUSPECTS?!?!?! WHAT THE F*^K!?!?!?
by bubba00
Dec 12th, 1999
06:00:39 PM
USUAL SUSPECTS?!?!?! WHAT THE F*^K!?!?!?
by bubba00
Dec 12th, 1999
06:00:48 PM
religious stuff in movies
by trl686
Dec 13th, 1999
05:58:41 PM
End of days
by Jag
Dec 14th, 1999
10:34:29 AM
Enjoyable, but pretty routine
by emorr
Dec 15th, 1999
02:31:45 PM
I've never seen this...
by LLK01
Dec 16th, 1999
04:26:20 AM
End of day
by Esther
Dec 17th, 1999
04:32:51 PM
Arnold and Satan
by lordhoot
Dec 18th, 1999
12:23:32 PM
End of Arnold--Yeeah...thanks a bunch(Patric)
by Mr.Shufflebotham
Dec 28th, 1999
07:37:48 AM
Crap from HanoverFyst
by TokenScot
Dec 30th, 1999
06:34:02 AM
Gabriel Byrne
by Simeland
Jan 17th, 2000
01:12:45 PM
Red Heat
by Reyvyn_DarKnight
Jan 31st, 2000
09:43:22 AM
End of Days v2
by Matias Duarte
Feb 11th, 2000
05:36:03 PM
Sorry, it sucked!
by VICRUI
Feb 15th, 2000
06:10:50 AM
Old vs. New Testament
by Seward
Feb 17th, 2000
12:19:03 AM
End Of Days Comment
by Finn McCool
Feb 17th, 2000
07:18:16 PM
It was just T2 all over...
by RobCampbell
Mar 13th, 2000
12:12:33 PM

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