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A quite busy El Cosmico here, taking the briefest of breaks to pass along something from the hearsay-rant-type rumour file. Some informative words from our friend Viacom Girl...

Take them for what you think they're worth, this is definitely in the realm of insider gossip, filtered from person to person as it made its way toward us. But, geek websites have a mission to spread Star Trek gossip, don't they?

Well, sure we do. Ah, what a headache I have. Okay, onto Viacom Girl. Enjoy :)

I've revised this since they should be annoucing Scott Bakula at the end of the week. They've already "leaked" word to Broadcasting and Cable to run that his deal is close. Here's my revised story:

The "network" UPN has "Buffy" now, as you're already well aware of.

Officially, this upcoming season will be the most amount of money every spent in UPN's history for programming. After all, for the budget of "Chains of Love" the most expensive thing is the chains.  

The upcoming adaptation of "The Dead Zone" is not costing a lot.  After all, they saved money on the script because it's just a xerox of the book and movie.  If you've seen the flick you don't need to watch the show, it's a carbon copy and unwisely follows the exact same story as a weekly series, unless you really want to see what a role Christopher Walken played looks like being enacted by one of the Griswold clan from "Vacation."  (To be honest, Anthony Michael Hall is better than you'd think but that's not the highest praise.)

"Buffy" is now regarded within these halls as our most important show, which leaves "Star Trek" coming in a close third behind wrestling.

Now, regarding that "review" which ran on the Trek friendly website called "Trektoday."  That particular glowing editorial about the pilot script for the upcoming newest Roddenberry knockoff was personally written by none other than one of the staff members on the show. In fact, a very prominent producer.  

The Trek offices and Paramount as well as some Viacom folk for were all extremely upset by that initial AICN review, but more importantly the overwhelming negative reaction to the concept of a "prequel" show from the fans.

That bogus TrekToday "outside" review was written to quell the furor, since UPN has been inundated by e-mails and angry calls about the new "Star Trek".

You'll note the anonymous author criticized the premise of "Voyager" because he or she, and in this case it's definitely a "he," was trying to throw people off the scent that they were just some planted "shill," plus this individual also got to take a dig at two of the departed creators whom he doesn't particularly like.  (Hey, sometimes even the dumbest person can have a good opinion once in awhile.) His aim is about as good as a B.B. gun, if you can take a hint. 

This person also criticized the acting on "Voyager" because the ENTIRE cast, with the notable and obvious exception of Jeri Ryan, has made it perfectly clear how unhappy they've been with the scripts, so it was intended as a dig.

Robert Beltran has never minced words on how awful he thought the writing was, and the Trek "creative" team, and I use that word loosely, is happy to be rid of this current cast.  They claim they want actors now who will be "grateful" just to have a job. That's an exact quote.

Don't expect to see any "Voyager" movies coming soon, unless they're shot on camcorders and can double as home movies.

Once again, that review AICN ran was right on.  The pilot script is mediocre and unnecessary to the whole "Trek" canon.  Likening it to "The Phantom Menace" is correct, since this is a story that never needs to be told.  

I find it hard to believe there are still zealots posting talkbacks that don't believe the next series is a prequel and that the pilot isn't about meeting Klingons.  The Derek Flint review was right, and is being corroborated everywhere now.

As far as another certain "rumor."  As of right now, NEGOTIATIONS ARE BACK ON WITH SCOTT BAKULA.  THE IMPASSE CAME AT POTENTIAL MONEY INCREASES OVER THE SEVEN YEAR RUN OF THE NEXT STAR TREK SHOW, AS WELL AS HOW MUCH CREATIVE SAY THE ACTOR WOULD BE GIVEN. (HE WAS GIVEN AN EXECUTIVE PRODUCER TITLE ON HIS LAST CBS SERIES, APPARENTLY.) BAKULA WANTS A LOT OF DOUGH, BUT ALSO WANTS APPROVAL AND VETO RIGHTS NOT GIVEN TO PAST STAR TREK ACTORS. NEVERTHELESS, PHONE CALLS FROM THE PRESS TO UPN AND PARAMOUNT CONTEND THAT BAKULA IS STILL NOT IN THE RUNNING... SO WE'LL STILL HAVE TO SEE. It's expected to be finally officially announced at the end of the week.

With all the negative reaction to a prequel, it became even more important for Paramount to get an actor that is "genre friendly" and they've taken a great deal of notice how favorably the fan base is towards Mr. Bakula.

Playing the Captain, should this deal officially close, will make him very, very rich. He'll be making the most money EVER for an actor doing "Star Trek".

The role of the doctor on the show has been cast with a character actor who most people won't know from "Adam."

Also, one other tidbit... Howard Stern trashed UPN, "Chains of Love" as well as some of the top brass around here on his radio show last week, pretty much throwing dirt on the grave of his animated show "Doomsday."  UPN doesn't care... showing the same concern they show for "Star Trek."

VIACOM GIRL

Well, folks, what do you think of that? I'm sure you'll all share your feelings about it all. I, for one, am getting more and more curious about this. I mean, if Bakula does sign, and gains a fair amount of control, it could give this show a good opportunity for a course correction, even if it DOES get off to a mediocre start. It would at least keep me interested.

-El Cosmico

elcosmico@aintitcool.com

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  • April 25, 2001 12:58 AM CST

    Doomed

    by LFC Ripley

    Unless the "creative" team is completely replaced, this new Trek series is doomed, no matter who they get to act in it.

  • April 25, 2001 1:23 AM CST

    Anthony M. Hall: Only good thing about Freddie Got Fingered

    by Dlhstar

    If they ever do a Malcolm MacDowell biopic, or need someone to play MacDowell's son in a movie, I swear Anthony Michael Hall looked just like a young him in FGF.

  • April 25, 2001 1:25 AM CST

    The Trek writers JUST DON'T GET IT!!!!!

    by SpankMe

    I just don't understand why the creative forces behind Star Trek can't make a decent episode. Instead of intelligent Sci-Fi, we get "Days of our Lives" in space. Character development is good, but c'mon, does anybody here really want to see that damm holographic doctor SINGING? Shoot me now! Whatever happened to amazing sci-fi concepts, really bizarre strange new races, fantastic space anomolies, etc? And enough with the holodeck!!! The holodeck concept has been the most ABUSED concept ever. The writers seem to use it as a crutch every single episode. What ever happened to the "Star Fleet Intelligence" concept for a series? Imagine, a Mission Impossible style team of Star Fleet operatives who go undercover every episode. Now THAT would be interesting!

  • April 25, 2001 1:38 AM CST

    Praise for Bakula

    by Y282

    In case anyone of importance does draw influence from posters opinions here, I would welcome seeing Bakula as the new captain (I wonder if anyone REALLY does give a rats ass...)

  • April 25, 2001 1:59 AM CST

    disgusted

    by Glenngarry

    Who the hell do they think they are???? Do they think they can pile the same re-hashed crap on star trek fans over and over again. I used to be a die hard fan of this so called 'franchise' of science fiction, and now they just want to produce this mediocre crap just for the sake of producing it. What's the point in watching something so contrived???? No wonder the actors on Voyager are pissed off, I would be if I had to work with the crap that Berman and friends were dishing out. And as for wanting 'grateful' actors!!! What the hell???!!!! Star Trek needs time to recover, it's reputation has been tarnished, and I can see the same mistakes made on voyager repeating themselves on series V. Rick Berman is startreks cancer, cut him out.

  • April 25, 2001 2:07 AM CST

    FIRE RICK BERMAN!!!!!!!

    by Closet Trekkie

    Paramount GET A CLUE!!! He's the reason Trek sucks!!!! Like Rick McCallum the sorry Producer for Star Wars. Never trust a Producer named Rick!

  • April 25, 2001 2:12 AM CST

    UPN sucks Hard

    by BrianSLA

    The only good or decent show they have is the one they just stole from the WB. ST-Voyager sucked hard. I do hope Enterprise is good. As for UPN exec's knocking Howard for knocking ' Chains of Love "...... easy to stop. Just don't place such utter SHIT on the airwaves. The board at UPN should be taken out into a courtyard and shot. Those idiots have no taste whatsoever. I can't even think of a decent UPN show. Atleast the WB has Gilmore Girls ( one of the best shows on tv ), had & fostered Buffy, had 2 good seasons of Dawson's Creek, etc. UPN should next steal the WB's programming directors & program creators. As for Doomsday I don't know if it would suck or not but it would be ten to a thousand times better than ' Chains of Love ', ' Lost Souls', ' Special Unit 2', etc.

  • April 25, 2001 2:54 AM CST

    Plot synopses: first 5 episodes of "ENTERPRISE"!!!

    by Kane

    You heard it here first! The top-secret plotlines of the first 5 episodes of "ENTERPRISE": e1.1: The Enterprise, on it's maiden voyage must slingshot around the sun to save some guy. e1.2: The Enterprise must create a temporal rift and pass backward through time to visit 2001-era Los Angeles. For no reason. e1.3: The Enterprise must travel into the future some 200+ years to locate Captain Picard. For no reason. Guest-starring a visibly tense Patrick Stewart. e1.4: The Enterprise crew decided they like it in the future and stay. Role of Picard here-on played by Alan Thicke. e1.5: New captain gets stuck in the holodeck in the 'Sherlock Holmes' setting. Stays there for rest of season. You heard it here first.

  • April 25, 2001 2:59 AM CST

    I'm telling ya...

    by Beeblebrox

    The only thing Bakula is holding out for is the chance to sing in every third show and wear the occasional dress. Hell, thats what I'd hold out for! B

  • April 25, 2001 3:13 AM CST

    Viacom Girl

    by Chensams

    I find it hard to believe that Paramount and Viacom execs would be "extremely upset" over something posted on some geek web site that first broke the news that the new captain would be Anthony Micheal Hall. Remember that one? AICN is regressing bad, it has turned into the Globe rag of the Internet. However, if this is true, however remote, wouldn't this be a good thing? If the execs actually cared what some geeks were posting on Web sites and tried to join in, wouldn't that mean they are taking somethings to heart? I'm just going to reserve judgement until I actually see an entire episode.

  • April 25, 2001 4:17 AM CST

    What went wrong?

    by DrX

    I cant comment on the state of Voyager at the moment as the BBC is about four series behind at the moment and temporarily suspending it (and Buffy) for Snooker! I do like voyager. I thought it had a pure concept - lets get back home - as opposed to "lets get out there" and "lets stay here and sort our problems out" I think what is needed now is "lets kick some ass and have some political intrigue" a la Star wars and Babylon 5. The general feeling from the last film and Voyager lately is trite character development leading to Little House on the Prairie plotting. On Voyager the Janeway should be shagging Chakoty by now. The Star Treck franchise is saddled with a certain wholesome style reflecting the feelgood fifties and sixties US television. They always try to leave you with some sort of "look at the cosmos man" feeling as the ship glides by. Enough! Lets have Starship troopers! But with some inteligence please.

  • April 25, 2001 4:32 AM CST

    ?

    by RightWing Dude

    Will Paramount keep this series on for 7 years too, even if the ratings are as bad as (or even worse) than those for VOYAGER? Bragga & Berman, if you are reading this, GIVE TREK A REST (on behalf of a lifelong TREK fan)!!

  • April 25, 2001 5:11 AM CST

    Note to Paramount:

    by B A Fett

    Let Trek die. Let Berman & Co. found other jobs -- like flipping burgers or pumping septic tanks. Then in about 10 years resurrect the franchise with a new and 'talented' group.

  • April 25, 2001 5:18 AM CST

    the problem is

    by cohen

    that there are "trek writers". Star Trek should be set up as a place for outside writers to explore ideas. When was the last episode of star trek that really did a good job of exploring a philosophy, idea, or social issue. It's been a while. Star Trek is about ideas. Explore the ideas and the adventure will come naturally.

  • April 25, 2001 5:29 AM CST

    Star Trek? Fuck it...

    by JezusKrist

    Watch Farscape instead. It's the greatest creation in human history and you can watch it every Friday on the Sci-Fi Channel at 9:00 pm and 12:00 am.

  • April 25, 2001 5:37 AM CST

    Drx

    by cohen

    you couldn't be more wrong. Turning Star Trek into a crappy action series isn't the answer. Let trek be trek.

  • April 25, 2001 5:51 AM CST

    An open letter to Brannon Braga

    by MGTHEDJ

    Bannon Braga, I'm not going to flame you, I'm going to be constructive. You are obviously a fan of the BBC shows of the 1960's and 1970's. You know how to use exposition (techno-babble) to drive the plot. Unfortunatle that is not "Star Trek". Now "Trek" is not "Star Wars" (with its action-adventure and playing with legends) either. It was invisioned as ALLEGORY. The only shows carrying on the tradition of ALLEGORY are "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" which your bosses have acquired (or in the case of "Angel" have promised to acquire). If you are not comfortable with allegory fine. Find and hire writers who CAN. Granted few can do it and do it well (Rod Serling, D.C. Fontana, Gene Roddenberry when he was on his game, and Joss Whedon and his staff). Go out and look. Many young writers are out there waiting to be given a shot. Joss found them, so can you. I offer this advice in all sincerity. You are basically the supervising producer of "Star Trek" and the direction you take is up to you.----later----m (a fan).

  • April 25, 2001 6:00 AM CST

    Allegory?

    by JezusKrist

    Fuck off... Watch Farscape.

  • April 25, 2001 6:59 AM CST

    Ratings speak louder than words

    by dberger

    Why do we keep complaining about Trek, particularly Trek that hasn't even been produced yet? Has anything changed as a result? No. Know why? It's simple; people don't like other people telling them how to do their jobs. Nobody likes a kibitzer, and what we've been doing here often amounts to giving sage advice regarding a job that we know nothing about. Still, as TV viewers, we know what we like. The only real way to effect change with Trek is to send the one message that counts; don't watch. Want to get things done? I say stop writing letters to Paramount and start mobilizing people to keep well away from the TV when a Trek show is on the air. Just remember, many of the same people creating ENTERPRISE were responsible for as many great episodes of TNG as bad episodes of VOYAGER. The only other thing I will add is that the idea that a Trek show needs two full seasons to hit it's mark is pure shit. The "two seaon" rule may have made sense in the days of TNG, even DS9, but come on! The people running Trek have had 21 seasons to figure it out. If ENTERPRISE doesn't fly by episode three or four, fuck it. Turn off the TV.

  • April 25, 2001 8:13 AM CST

    AICN's pilot review?

    by Dave Patrick

    Yeah, I thought the other review was over the top in praise, but on the other hand, AICN was over the top in condemnation. Talking of which, when is this in-depth pilot review we were promised coming? I can't believe TPTB are worried at all by the initial review on AICN. I don't like the basic concept, but what matters far more than basic concept for the show is the writing. TNG and DS9 were great as they took risks (for the time they were made in). Voyager was safe and too old fashioned to suceed. Paramount suits didn't want to make their plight too desperate and since they didn't seem too fussed about getting home the viewers didn't care either. Now Trek is no longer number one at UPN with Buffy arriving they have to take risks to survive.

  • April 25, 2001 8:21 AM CST

    This site is durn slowww but not a slow as the folks at UPN

    by Geekgrrl

    I'm glad someone said something about the server speed. I thought it might have just been my connection. I'm now getting timeouts when I try to access pages. -------------------------------------------The problem with the ST franchise is definatly in the "creative" team. The premises of all the series are viable and great. Even a prequel has *some* possibilities. BUT a premise is two sentences - it doesn't get you any further. Ideas are cheap, ask anyone at a Scifi con if they have an idea for a novel. Good writing is hard. Good writing takes practice, and good writing hasn't been going on at Casa Del Startrek for a long time.

  • 1. I've heard the Scott Bakula wants to have creative control and maybe "producer"-type powers if he's cast as the lead in the new Trek. I hope that's true and not just a rumor. Bakula, while not a Tom Cruise type power actor, still is a big genre name and hopefully will be able to throw scripts back if they suck and demand some quality. I've said it before I'll say it again, the writing is KEY. And in a franchise, continuity does matter. The powers-that-be must recognize this. 2. Viacom Girl, if you indeed work for the studio, then I think your efforts are better used voicing your concerns instead of running around acting like a mole for Websites. The problem with media empires is too many "yes men (or women)" who agree with all the lame-ass marketers and corporate suits even when they show no creativity or outright dumb ideas. If something looks bad, speak up to those who count and fix the damn problem. If people within Paramount are worried that they might have a dud on their hands, for God's sake, fix the problem in the script stage, in the pilot stage, etc. Isn't that what testing is all about? I find it ludicrous to believe what you say, that the powers-that-be are so isolated and so delusional that they ignore legitimate constructive criticism and run the risk of ruining a decades-old franchise that has been (and has the potential to continue to be) a major cashcow for the studio. So you fear losing your job if you speak out? Well, that's just pathetic. Let's let trash hit the tube and then the show will flop and the Trek franchise will die and EVERYBODY will lose their jobs and then jump on the Buffy bandwagon and milk that franchise to death with mediocrity and bland creative ineptitude. And for the record, I still think the original AICN "review" was no review at all. Peace out.

  • April 25, 2001 8:45 AM CST

    Give it a chance people!

    by B-Man

    I have been watching Trek since the TOS. With the exception of the original, each of the series have started off kind of lame but got better as it evolved. Think about TNG "Encounter at Far Point". It was a terrible story. However, everyone was so hyped about a new Trek, no one minded. One of the great things about the stories on TOS was it was not in a SOAP format. You could miss an episode and keep up with the show, because each episode was different with no underlying premise other than the basics of their 5 year mission. The one thing I am not looking forward to is going backwards with Starfleet technologies. There is such a dramatic cosmetic difference between TOS and Voyager it is almost laughable watching TOS and seeing Sulu poke buttons and flip switches at the helm and Uhura with the big old "pipe" hanging out of her ear. As far as Bakula goes, I don't think they could have made a better choice for Captain. He will be the main reason I will watch this show. One question I have is this, wasn't the very first captain of the Enterprise Robert April? Every thing I have read has never stated anything otherwise. Even if the show is pre-Starfleet. Starfleet was created before the UFP and not too long after first contact was made with the Vulcan's.

  • April 25, 2001 8:57 AM CST

    "adam" on star trek?

    by _l_james

    could the "adam" refered to in this article be the actor who played adam on buffy the vampire slayer in season 4? (he was the season's big bad) i can't remember the actor's name. (kind of strange, buffy going to upn, and then some of the people from it being tapped for other shows. not like a plot, but an interesting coincidence)

  • April 25, 2001 9:06 AM CST

    Simple Solution

    by Much Too Tall

    It's very simple. It really is. If they hire good writers, and good actors, and not HACKS, they'll be fine. Actors with some experience acting (I'm talking about the stage, not folks who have done a billion Pepsi commercials). Actors with charisma. Soul. And writers who know what they're doing. Not TV folks. Look elsewhere. People who write novels, plays; people who understand DRAMA. Remember, when ST:TNG stunk, it really stunk. But when it was good, it was really good. Because of Patrick, a good cast and good writers. Unfortunately, Paramount has lost their way and in the quest for a.) money and b.) "action", they have been unable to replicate those powerful moments, those great moments, those interesting moments of the ST:TNG TV series in either the movies, ST:DS9 or ST: Voyager. It's sad. It really is.

  • April 25, 2001 9:13 AM CST

    hey Koomas how about ST:PD

    by sundown

    Think about it! it'll be like Hill Street Blues in space!!!! Thats awesome! All the aliens are skells! You can have the Captain be David Caruso! I'd get Charles Dutton as the bad ass Klingon Sgt like the Sipowitz of the show. I'd get Carrie Fisher as the DA for the space scum. Kyle Mclaughlin would be the series lead Detective (merging both genres!) and his partner would be a Vulcan Donnie Yen. And I'd bring back Amy Brenneman as the series lead female and the "science officer' forensics type chick. It would rock! I would bring back past cast members of all the shows as drug addicts and murderers. That would rock..much more than this stupid prequel crap.

  • April 25, 2001 9:17 AM CST

    Hey Spooks at Paramount

    by SaintX99

    If you let Berman ass rape Roddenberry's series, I will be out for Blood, and I'm going to come after you and Berman.

  • April 25, 2001 9:56 AM CST

    Star Trek: An End of an Era

    by Cool Disco Dan

    If I remember correctly, this ill-fated relationship between Star Trek and a Paramount-run TV network has been on the drawing board for some time. Starlog ran an article a few years back about how before ST:TMP was produced, Paramount was considering "Star Trek II," which would've brought back all of the cast from the TOS (sans Leonard Nimoy), and this would've been a flagship show for network Paramount was think of launching back in the 70s. Since Trek was still fairly new back then, it might've withstood this awkward, misguided responsibility. Now, it's been beaten to death, and one can only hope that UPN doesn't do the same to Buffy. However, given the rumors of how the Voyager actors are dissatisfied with Paramount and their own show, it'll be interesting to read their honest opinions of what happended behind the scenes of Voyager a few years from now. I'll bet it'll be more interesting than the show itself.

  • April 25, 2001 10:20 AM CST

    True Lies from Viacom Crack Ho...

    by Darth Vader

    ...okay, we know that no one in the media's paid any attention to AICN's fantasy "scoops" on "Enterprise", but now "Viacom Girl's" bitterness has got the better of her. I'm so sure that Braga gives a damn what's been written here about him and his work. In fact, if I were Braga trying to persuade Viacom that I knew what I was doing, I'd direct them to check this site out. "My God, Brannon's right!" I can hear the execs saying. "the people who keep protesting his and Berman's plans for Trek really *are* a lot of asocial morons. Not exactly a demographic group we need to sell to (that's what the XFL is for)".

  • April 25, 2001 10:21 AM CST

    Wasn't "Jackson Archer"...

    by KazamaSmokers

    ... the name of a CFL quarterback a few years ago?

  • April 25, 2001 10:33 AM CST

    Putting the blame where it belongs

    by Emerald Eyes

    Yes, "Voyager" is lame. Yes, "Enterprise" has it's work cut out for it. And I hear all you so-called experts bitching about the writing. Never mind the fact that none of you can spell. Nor have any of you ever written anything creative or important in your entire pathetic, sheltered lifetimes (except for the occasional post here). Here's the deal: the WRITERS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR SHITTY STAR TREK! If you idiots had any idea how the business really works, you would know this: The creative problems on Voyager - or ANY television show - originate from the top. The Executive Producers determine the look, tone, and feel of a show. They decide which episodes get written and the writing staff write them. If you want to bitch about Trek, go after Brannon Braga, Ken Biller, and Rick Berman. THEY are the ones who have the FINAL SAY on all creative decisions. This will be the case with "Enterprise" too (except for Ken Biller I think). I've had pitch meetings with writer/producers on DS9 and Voyager over the last four years. They are ALL smart, talented writers. But they take their orders from the men upstairs. There has never been (with rare exceptions) bad WRITING on Voyager. The problems stem from bad CONCEPTS, flat CHARACTERIZATIONS, a lack of CONTINUITY, a lack of MYTHOLOGY, and an overall LACK OF VISION. This is not the fault of Rob Doherty, Phyllis Strong, Michael Taylor, Nick Sagan, Raf Green, Robin Burger, etc. The blame for FUNDAMENTAL FLAWS in the show's premise and execution lies at the feet of Braga, Berman, and Biller. Direct your neophyte venom at them and LAY OFF OF THE STAFF! Learn how the business actually WORKS before you place blame.

  • April 25, 2001 10:39 AM CST

    What's Wrong With Trek

    by HypnoToad

    What's interesting, if you look back at TNG is that a good number of the best episodes came from spec script writers or new, fresh faces. Ron Moore's work with Best of Both Worlds. The episode Inner Light was one of the best episodes of any trek series (The one where picard is zapped by a probe and lives out a long life with a wife and kids in an alien culture that is long dead). Even with the original trek, some of the best came from writers outside the norm, DC Fontana was Roddenberry's secretary and Elison (City on the Edge of Forever) was already an established sci-fi writer. The quality isn't there in Voyager because it's sticking to a formula. A tired formula that's being hashed out week after week around a conference room table by the same group of guys and gals. No real need to point fingers and name names, we know (and they know!) who they are. If this new trek is going to fly, if it's going to work, it's going to need new ideas and fresh blood. You could easily change a few words from what Kirk says to Scotty in ST3. Kirk,"My Friends, the great experiment. The Excelsior." Sulu,"She's suppose to have transwarp drive." Scotty,"Aye, and if my grandmother had wheel's, she'd be a wagon." Kirk,"Come now, Mr. Scott, fresh minds, new ideas." - But where are the fresh minds and new ideas here?

  • April 25, 2001 10:48 AM CST

    Why Me? Why Me? Somebody just Shoot Me.

    by Grayle

    It's okay everyone, only 2 more days til Farscape, then we can all get our fix for the week. Let's face it, it all starting going downhill in the last season or two of ST:TNG when all the episodes became Sherlock Holmes type stories. DS9- the only thing AT ALL worth watching on that was the space battles..After every other episode hearing "Cisco, your saved us all", "Cisco, your great!" it got old REAL quick, among 80 other things about that show...Sorry Rick, but if you are responsible for this continuing pattern of bad trek, please gracefully step down. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!! And while i'm here Special Unit 2- Gnome is not a very interesting character at all and should not take up 40% of the show!!! Rick, you have anything to do with this?!?!?

  • April 25, 2001 11:28 AM CST

    People, Please!

    by darth wayne

    Two things will not happen: First, Paramount will not replace Rick Berman -- so stop asking them to. Second, STAR TREK will not go away. Rick Berman's feature film record (good pictures to bad pictures) exactly matched Harve Bennet's and exceeds Leonard Nimoy's. His television record exceeds Gene Roddenberry's, who cracked under the pressure at the end of TOS Season Two and walked. STAR TREK, having just been purchased for syndication by TNN, will be available for as long as the medium exists. Seen in this scale, STAR TREK has maintained a level of excellence that no other television franchise has approached. Leeway is deserved, and condemning a series when the community knows nothing but what three questionable sources share with us is ludicrous. Be a peace, brothers and sisters. Lie in wait.

  • April 25, 2001 11:53 AM CST

    When they find a cast with the chemistry of the first

    by superninja

    I'll get interested. No one has brought to ST what Shatner, Kelley and Nimoy did. Not to slight the other cast members, but they are what dragged me back. Bakula is a good actor, but I hope it's not in the vein of TNG. Good cast, but sterile and lacking in an emotional connection. Also, get more action and get away from the New Age crap.

  • April 25, 2001 12:09 PM CST

    It's the writing, stupid

    by Kikstad

    Compare the dialgue from the lamest episodes of the original Trek to the lame-ass techno-babble of today. Compare the stories and innovative ideas in the scripts by Bloch and Ellison and Fontana and others to the crap that is better known as Voyager. The problem is, these modern-day hacks don't know a thing about speculative fiction. They can throw all the holodecks and phasers and mutated-forehead aliens into the pot, but they'll just come out with dumb-ass-stew when all is said and done because they don't know the genre. They've just invented their own formmula and they're too egotistical to admit it's pretty darn dull and empty. Yeah, by all means, blame the producers, but don't let the writers off the hook. The teleplays are the BLUEPRINTS for all that follow. To think otherwise is foolish, naive, and the reason we're seeing crap instead of imaginative Star Trek.

  • April 25, 2001 12:16 PM CST

    Great ensemble casts with no chemistry.

    by superninja

    That's how I would describe DS9 and Voyager. Not that the writing helps. Janeway is a second-stringer. She doesn't have the commanding presence to be a captain, and I've watched several episodes. This has nothing to do with her being a woman, btw. With Avery Brooks they made a mistake with having him stand around and spout techno-babble dialogue. And all the characters have to "learn to come together" (hammer to the head storytelling) in the first episode. Why don't we just assume they've already got their $hit together and start from there, focusing on plot and action and less on building intrapersonal conflict. I think it will evolve naturally.

  • April 25, 2001 12:26 PM CST

    Kikstad

    by superninja

    In t.v., writers are usually the exec. producers, and Berman is no exception. He IS a writer, and he approves every single story. Now, if all this crap is slipping under his radar, that creates a problem. These guys don't have anything left to write about ST. Give them SOME credit, they've been doing it for how many years now?***To the person who mentioned speculative fiction...The ST audience seems to really enjoy the technobabble. I mean, WE don't, but if you've been around any comic book/sci-fi convention, you will see they are still eating this up. When I watched the OS reruns as a kid, I had no interest in actual phaser settings or Vulcan physiology (except that McCoy didn't know it too well). Maybe the audience has evolved but ST hasn't? I don't want to see a "darker" ST like DS9, either. But where do they go from here? The past is nice, but only if they strike a balance between the look/feel of the old series and the new. I think that could be very satisfying. They can have drama in the episodes, but the overall tone should not be a drama or its just another rehash.

  • April 25, 2001 12:38 PM CST

    Superninja

    by Kikstad

    You make some very good points, Superninja. I'm the first to criticize the producers since they call the shots, but my comments were directed at those who say the "writing staff" isn't to blame. And, sorry, but the criticism that I hear from a lot of people that Star Trek has "run out of ideas" and "needs a rest" is full of crock. Superman has been around since the 1930s and I guarantee you creative writers can still come up with an original entertaining Superman story if given the chance. Trek has lasted since the 1960s -- it's so rich with characters and settings and gadgets and ideas, spanning centuries -- how can it possible run out of ideas??? Sit a bunch of fans around a table and see how quickly they'll come up with some cool premises and exciting story ideas. If the powers-that-be are hitting a brick-wall, the problem isn't the source material, the problem is THEM. They need to get some fresh blood. The Batman movie franchise didn't die because the Batman story had run out of steam, it died because they put the wrong people in charge who made some really bad choices and some really bad movies. Hire some good writers, people who love and understand Trek, people who have a track record of successful speculative fiction writing (be it in film, television, whatever), and let them mix what's worked with new fresh perspectives.

  • April 25, 2001 1:03 PM CST

    Hey Emerald Eyes

    by Geekgrrl

    Characterization, mythology, concepts, look, tone, feel, and vision are all aspects of writing, last time I asked my creative writing profs. I don't doubt that much of the blame for the bad writing lies with the men at the top - but it is still bad writing, no matter who gets the blame.

  • April 25, 2001 2:48 PM CST

    My Two Cents

    by Andrew1911

    The lack of inspiration (even in the proposed pitches being made prior to these firmed-up rumors) is truly worrying. All references to the Phantom Menace are entirely correct - this is an approach that does not need to happen. The political intrigue AND THE ALL IMPORTANT ARC present in the excellent DS9 - the later episodes anyway, and in B5 (except series 5 of course)just doesn't seem to be there. People like DC Fontana, JMS and Peter Morwood should be hired at all cost to inject life into this. Hands up who would like to see a condensed version of the Romulan Wars (weren't they over a hundred years?) put into a 7 year arc ?Characters getting older (and DYING for God's sake) technology impproving........ Its is a fact that most people would rather be watching fucking immense starship battles, drama and political drama than....."Captain X, what is this thing you call love" repeated over and over again

  • April 25, 2001 3:00 PM CST

    Bakula is a great choice - I will give it a chance

    by timmer33

    Good info this time Viacom Girl - last time didn't you say the deal with Bakula was off? This franchise needs Bakula in order to succeed. I truly believe he can pull it off. Let's face it, Voyager wasn't a great concept. After all, since voyager was always warping toward Earth, there were no real villains to constantly bother them. And what villains they did have sucked shit (remember the Kazon??) Even though TREK is plagued by a supreme lack of talent, Bakula is a great choice. They do need fresh vision though, especially in the writing. I'm sick of hearing about graviton beams and deflector dish and modulating shields. If this show takes Trek back to a time when technology was limited, it's possible it might just focus on the characters and relationships and politics. ALL TREK WRITERS SHOULD WATCH BABYLON 5 TO SEE HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. Let's see some on-going story arcs and great politics. Let's actually CARE about the characters. If every character on Voyager died in the finale I would actually cheer and applaud that decision. I don't care about the Doctor's singing and Seven's quest to be more human. I'm sick of Seven. She's nice to look at, but let's face it, they stole the name from George Costanza. Gee, there's another example of a severe lack of creativity. Stealing from Seinfeld? Shit, Seinfeld stole from Trek, but that was a goddamn comedy show! It doesn't work the other way around! Here's to BAKULA! Bakula rules; thank god for this decision. Hopefully we'll have a good year of Trek ahead of us (Trek V and Movie 10).

  • April 25, 2001 4:57 PM CST

    So, Paramount is upset that the fans are upset?

    by Electric_Monk

    Since when does Paramount care about the fans? Over the last 7 years, they have virtually ignored us in favor branding Trek as profitable franchise instead of producing interesting stories. While they claim they are giving the fans what the want, based on market research as outdated as every episode of Babylon 5, what they are really giving us is bad re-treds of the really bad episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9. And you what, even those bad episodes were better than anything Voyager could do. I can see it now, some idiotic exec at Paramount, thinking that what the series really needs is an actress like, say Jeri Ryan, to play a Borg in a sexy, tight outfit. Yes, that will get the fans to ignore the stale scripts. It worked, you fools. Paramount has no reason to follow the mad writings of us on AICN, because the people they really pay attention to are the drooling, masturbating fans who freeze frame evey shot of Jeri Ryan so they can cream all over themselves. As a gay guy who thinks Garrett Wong is hot, I've never let myself slip into some sorted fantasy where I really can ignore the tacky stories just because someone shows some skin! Paramount will produce this silly-assed fifth version of Trek and, with extreme prejudice, with not change a goddamn thing to make the "thinking" fans happy.

  • April 25, 2001 4:59 PM CST

    So, Paramount is upset that the fans are upset?

    by Electric_Monk

    Since when does Paramount care about the fans? Over the last 7 years, they have virtually ignored us in favor branding Trek as profitable franchise instead of producing interesting stories. While they claim they are giving the fans what the want, based on market research as outdated as every episode of Babylon 5, what they are really giving us is bad re-treds of the really bad episodes of TOS, TNG, and DS9. And you what, even those bad episodes were better than anything Voyager could do. I can see it now, some idiotic exec at Paramount, thinking that what the series really needs is an actress like, say Jeri Ryan, to play a Borg in a sexy, tight outfit. Yes, that will get the fans to ignore the stale scripts. It worked, you fools. Paramount has no reason to follow the mad writings of us on AICN, because the people they really pay attention to are the drooling, masturbating fans who freeze frame evey shot of Jeri Ryan so they can cream all over themselves. As a gay guy who thinks Garrett Wong is hot, I've never let myself slip into some sorted fantasy where I really can ignore the tacky stories just because someone shows some skin! Paramount will produce this silly-assed fifth version of Trek and, with extreme prejudice, with not change a goddamn thing to make the "thinking" fans happy.

  • April 25, 2001 5:03 PM CST

    Questions for all Posters

    by Flyman

    I believe it will suck as well. However, noone has evr mentioned the fundamentals of theFX, and budget...Doesn't anyone think it odd that there is nothing mentioned about the FX for the "Enterprise" series. For clarification--if it takes place at a time before TOS and it lacks a majority of the FX & gadgets that has populated DS9, TNG & Voyager won't it be cheap to produce as well? Also note that it's a "ship using switches", no phasers, Warp 4, etc. But isn't Okuda involved with it though? As we all know he developed all the design work. So I'm a little confused because it has a smaller cast, a crappy ship, etc.; thus samller sets, fewer locations, no funky warp drive visuals. UPN will definitely be saving some money,yes, but isn't it a little fishy i.e. it's BS so far possibly? I don't know. Sounds like they are not going to do much. Comments appreciated.

  • April 25, 2001 5:17 PM CST

    I knew that positive review was too good to be true...

    by ar42

  • April 25, 2001 5:51 PM CST

    They just keep milking the dead cow. Why can't the just let it

    by Wookie Pot Pie

    How many people are salivating over the next Star Wars?(even after TPM!) How many people care about another Trek movie? Why is that? Its because Star Trek just never goes away. It just never stops. They never give us a chance to actually miss it. They just keep cranking the shit out and slapping a Star Trek label on it and we keep eating it. And I'm not a Star Wars fan that just enjoys bashing Trek. I buy every TOS DVD and I WILL own every TNG DVD. I just think they need to back off for a while. Maybe just until Rick Berman dies. But if they have to keep it going Why not hire an assasin to take out Verman and let Joss Whedon grab the keys to the enterprise. Now there's somebody with some vision. Oh yeah...farscape kicks ass!

  • April 25, 2001 6:29 PM CST

    Wha the hell do you mean 'the phantom menace' was a story that d

    by TheGinger Twit

    Keep in mind it was a jump back three movies to explain where Luke and Leia's parents came from. Where vador came from and how the Emporor rose to absolute power. Perhaps it wasn't explained all so clear as day in the first film but rest assured there are 2 more on the way, and they will fill out the story quite nicely. have a little faith in the man Luca$. I hate you star Wars haters!

  • April 25, 2001 7:05 PM CST

    trust me dude...

    by kojiro

    after I get my first few million I'll have Berman's head sent to me on a pike. Until that day though just watch Farscape. Story arcs! Three dimensional characters! Believable and understandable dialogue!

  • April 25, 2001 7:16 PM CST

    Berman and Braga hate you... and Star Trek

    by KB

    Over and over again people who work in the Trek universe have told me stories about how the two B's have made themselves millionares with Trek and how much they hate the show and the fans. Since then I've gauged everything they do against that knowledge... and suddenly everything they do with the shows make sense. No wonder they don't want Bakula to have any creative control... no wonder they don't want to bring in fresh talent...

  • April 25, 2001 7:21 PM CST

    Back to basics...

    by Swungdash

    I fervently hope that the producers of this new show look to TOS and create it in that spirit, the way Gene Rodenberry would have if he were still alive: skimpy outfits on green-skinned space babes, dead red shirts at the beginning of every episode, soft focus on the ladies, double-fisted punches to the back (followed by the wiping of blood from the side of the mouth), the same music for all fight scenes, shafts of light across the eyes during intense moments, space diseases that make everyone horny, standing around and laughing at the end of the episode, bare-chested fist-fights, mini-skirts on nubile female officers, captain cocksmithing, shellacked-down hairstyles, and alien spaceships made of lightbulbs. If they accidently hire a couple of up-and-coming writers who disguise relevent social commentary as science fiction, then I'll just have to deal with it. As long as I get the green ladies. I love the green ladies.

  • April 25, 2001 8:22 PM CST

    Two possible series...

    by kenclops

    We need a series about a Starfleet captain and his crew who get trapped on the Klingon home world. Instead of finding a way home, the crew goes nutty over a justified cause to kill every last Klingon bastard on the Klingon home world. Or series #2. The Prime Directive has become corrupt and Starfleet, under the guide of emperor Berman, has become one giant pile of political poop. Only a rogue group of hackers can save Earth by destroying Starfleet and creating a new one out of it.

  • April 25, 2001 8:49 PM CST

    They were so hinting at the prequel on Voyager

    by Geekgrrl

    today. All about a probe that was shot into space 46 years after Zephron Cochran. Personally I think making a prequel - unless the ship is immediatly shot into unknown space - is painting themselves in a corner. They'll screw with the established timeline, and if they don't they 'll have no story left to tell. They should steal an idea from Andromeda and set it in the future after the collapse of the Federation - after the hollograph rebellion (so all holodecks are banned) and then something *new* could happen. Or they could tell the misadventures of a screw-up who was the only survivor of a disaster in space and frozen for a few thousand years - meanwhile his cat evolves into a new lifeform and his mean supervisor is a holograph with an "h" on his forehead..... Anyway, there are a lot better places to put Trek, and I have my doubts about this one doing well. We don't have switches now, why would we suddenly want them back?

  • April 25, 2001 9:48 PM CST

    My 2 cents!!

    by Orange Bat

    Okay, so many people do this, and I will too, dammit!! Here's what I would like the next Star Trek to be. A disgrace federation officer, now flying a freighter or something, stumbles upon information about a takeover of the federation by some alien race, possibly Borg designed people. Each week he unravels clues as to why and how the federation is being taken over, through his Starfleet contacts, thorugh stealing information, and through flat out, bare knuckle brawling. Trek needs a very "fresh" concept within the Trek universe. I think working outside of the federation, amongst an every man, Han Solo-typw character would totally ROCK!! Could you imagine the "exciting, action packed season finally" with a character that doesn't care about the Prime Directive, is flat out bigotted towards alien races, and can KICK ASS!! The great thing is, you still further the Federation story line without having to play with established rules, like the Prime Directive. As a matter of fact, you could really challenge, and even BREAK those rules. What d'yall think?

  • April 25, 2001 10:20 PM CST

    Robert Beltran is a terrible actor, and people on the internet h

    by Rollo Tomassi

    First of all, Robert Beltran is the worst thing about "Star TreK: Voyager." He's probably the worst actor in "Star Trek" history, and even though I'm a fan I still consider that a big accomplishment. Second, I don't know whether to be amused or annoyed by the high opinion people on the net have of their ability to create "buzz." Sorry, I just don't buy for a second anyone at Paramount cares enough to put spies on these sites. The vast majority of the world see people like you and me who spend our time discussing movies and tv on the internet to be geeks, and they don't care what we think. Okay, "Trek" has built it's success on geeks like us, but I still just don't buy these conspiratorial stories. Even is the "Enterprise" script is as bad as you guys say, it's still possible someone out there liked it. After all, there are people out there who like "Dark Angel", which is the ultimate proof that there's no accounting for taste.

  • April 25, 2001 10:58 PM CST

    Trek V

    by Ocelot

    OK... Where do I start?! First off Rick "Vermin" and the others really do have to do something about this "dull as dish water" nonsense they are creating. I do like Voyager, but find it very boring at the same time. The only reason I watch it is because it is Trek, it has Kate Mulgrew and I loved TNG. Now, one complaint that hasn't really been addressed properly is the Music. I mean, the fight scenes are so bad because some idiot up at the Top will not let the composers actually do their Job. A fight scene needs fast, rousing music that makes you sit at the end of your seat, with sounds coming at you left, right and center... eg: Indiana jones, Star Wars, Aliens etc etc etc... the latter kind of music makes the worse scenes look incredible. What we get is "trek music"... dull chords played slowly over scenes where you need to get the action going, with the occasional thump thump ......... thump thump ....... etc etc etc... Bad decision making all around is killing this franchise more than anything else, and I don't think Scott Bakula is a good decision either.. I mean come on!!!!!!! Get a fresh new face in Scifi that doesn't come with excess baggage. I mean they can be a well known actor, but not a previous scifi one. Too many negatives to his name (as well as positives) He is a good actor, however not the right choice. And to the guy who is enamoured by Garret Wang.... Harry is so far in the closet he's in Narnia :) Just Kidding, no I don't think he is Gay, please do not attack me on this one (and yes, I am gay) Also.... my f's are screwed up on this computer so I appologise.

  • April 25, 2001 11:03 PM CST

    one more thing....

    by Ocelot

    We have come so far forward with the Trek thing, why on earth would anyone want to go back to the start of the federation or whatever this stupid premise is!!!

  • April 26, 2001 12:09 AM CST

    my god people

    by resistance

    You actually believe that anybody that doesnt think Star Trek is absolute crap must be some kind of internet double-agent on the Paramount payroll? These Star Trek talkbacks justify every paranoid-self-obsessed-"get-a-life-people-have-you-ever-kissed-a-girl?" sterotype out there. You know what I do when I dont like a show? I dont watch it. And I dont come onto newsgroups for shows I hate and whine about how the producers have screwed me over cause they personally owe me something. And if nobody watches it the show is cancelled and everyone involved loses their job. No Star Trek writing since Roddenberry died has been nearly as awful as some of the first season of TNG. Of coarse, I'm Rick Berman...he's the only person who could possibly have these opinions.

  • I mean, Christ, think about it; do you really think that the powers that be, or more specifically, Brandon Braga would actually care about a angry fanboy rant on AICN? In fact, be so concerned to actually go out of his way to write a neffarious positive spin on thier own materiel and leak thier own story ideas over the internet? the self-inflated notion of importance that geeks have sometimes about thier media is, quite frankly, astounding.

  • April 26, 2001 2:39 AM CST

    Trek V series, and what they should do

    by chappai

    Well once again, the people in charge of "Trek" have dropped the ball again, and they haven't shot a frame of film yet. They need to take a page from Trek history, and first fire the writing staff. This series doesn't need a group of writers in a pen cranking out what they believe are good stories week after week. They have done time anamolies to death, we've all been trapped in the wormhole dozens of times, and we are sick of encounters life forms in the vacuum of space. Time to move. Its time to put the science back in the "Trek" version of science-fiction. Time to go out there and find real SF writers like they did with the original series. they can still develop these great characters, and finally give them something worthwhile to work with. To date, Next Gen has been the cream of the crop of these "NEW" Trek series, but even that series was hit or miss. Hire REAL SF writiers like the original series did and see what an imaginative story is really like. Anything less at this point is bad for the fans and "the franchise".

  • April 26, 2001 3:42 AM CST

    Harry, ban Jeb E. Zingo!

    by Knight says"Ni"

    I'm sick of reading "I'll fix the damn thing"..."I'll fix the damn thing"..."I'll fix the damn thing"..."I'll fix the damn thing"..."I'll fix the damn thing"...in all the Star Trek talk backs. Fix this, bitch! No one's gonna give you validation here, pal; get back to therapy you loser! P.S. Bruce Campbell for the new captain--hey, someone was bound to say it.

  • April 27, 2001 11:50 AM CST

    God Almighty...

    by Pietro_Kozlowski

    Please clarify something for me: is my problem in reading Viacom Girl's stream of so-called info above due to me struggling to recover from a terrible case of strep, or is it more likely that it's just written so poorly (with no apparent cohesion) that makes it so close to fucking unreadable. Harry, please, please get an editor to police these incoming reports.

  • April 27, 2001 12:05 PM CST

    cast them well, and listen to your actors

    by simian

    I still like the idea of an unknown as the next captain, but it looks like that hope is squashed... The best thing they can do is surround the captain with able character actors like Jeffery Combs, Brad Douriff, or the guy who played Garak, actors who have proven themselves as supporting players on Trek and can embellish even the weakest dialouge and story with their capable talents... Most of all, Trek needs to throw out the recylcled plotlines, no crew goes crazy, no time travel, no trapped by an ominous entity episodes and try to suprise the viewer instead of having him go, "Oh, this is just a rehash of the one where Riker went undercover and crazy.", or "Oh, this is like the one where Data had to prove his humanity to Starfleet."... And give the actors some damned freedom, the reason Next Gen became good, was letting the cast be more involved, suggesting ideas, directing, and so forth... The worst thing about Voyager were the lame hackneyed technobabble, "Do I sound like a holo-novel" "We could re-route power from the transwarp conductor into the deflector dish grid if only I could figure out the phase variant on the Dylythium matrix." especially when you are using technobabble as humor or a constant vague loophole to get them out of trouble. They need to throw out that stuff and remember that good sci fi storytelling isnt the fantasy, its first and foremost well rounded characters, who help you believ in the fantasy, who sell it, instead of laying on top of it like a dead fish like the poor Voager crew had to do week after week.

  • April 27, 2001 12:42 PM CST

    i'll watch it if...

    by Marshal Kane

    the only way this is going to be any good is if it's like the right stuff, with a bunch of high flyin' cowboys, just crazy enough to test this "warp engine", ready to bare knuckle box the first weird alien that pops his head out of the cosmos and a general "fuck it, let's see if THIS works" attitude. i want a captain who hates the "space outfit" he's forced to wear and crew members who think the whole thing could go to hell at any given moment, but hang in there cause they're loyal damn it! these characters need to be astronauts, men (and women) who are inspired by the limitless possibilities of space exploration and just smart enough to know how scary those possibilites are.

  • April 27, 2001 1:23 PM CST

    Bakula to replace Reynolds in "Late Boomers" Doctor on that show

    by Son Of Batboy

    I got this off of Reuters. It appears Viacom Girl is confused on this story. Bakula is replacing Burt Reynolds in a CBS comedy pilot which also stars Markie Post from Night Court. Technically its only a guest spot in case he decides to sign for Enterprise. The role of Bakula's personal physician on "Late Boomers" is Adam Arkin. This project sounds doomed so Bakula would be wise to snag that Star Trek gig.

  • April 27, 2001 2:08 PM CST

    adam arkin

    by resistance

    Damn from the story I was hoping Adam was going to be cast in series V. Hell I'd love to see him play the captain. He was great on Northern Exposure. ah well.

  • April 27, 2001 2:10 PM CST

    The real prequel idea leaked...

    by Swungdash

    I just heard from the friend of a friend of my cousin's sister's boyfriend that Viacom Girl's story is a plant. The real prequel series is: Star Trek Babies! Join the cuddly crew of the U.S.S. Enterprise on their delightful and ever-so-cute misadventures as they boldly go where man has gone before -- in their diapers!

  • April 27, 2001 3:10 PM CST

    Here's my version of Series 5.........

    by johnnylong

    I know some of you retards will whine about time travel but why not set the show aboard the timeship Relativity.This ship can travel across the Federation timeline undoing shit.OK let the whining begin...........

  • April 27, 2001 3:13 PM CST

    SHATNER WANTS TO PLAY KIRK AGAIN

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Did anybody see where William Shatner came out this week and stated that he wanted to play Kirk again? Well he did he also said that he is not sure how long Trek will last and that the series has no passion left in it. Shatner also said he didn't like the way they killed Kirk off. I think it's time to bring Kirk and Spock back for one last film with the tng cast and then let the series go away for 10 years.

  • April 27, 2001 3:19 PM CST

    what?

    by Ocelot

    you mean like Quantum Trek Leap?

  • April 27, 2001 4:17 PM CST

    Please to explain, Darth Wayne

    by Narfinity

    I don't think I understand your comment about Rick Berman's feature film record matching Harve Bennet's and exceeding Leonard Nimoy's. Since Star Trek is all Rick Berman will ever produce, let's just take Trek, shall we? Okay, so Generations stank. First Contact was decent (I loved it despite its flaws) and Insurrection reeked. That's 33% good. Now let's go to Harve Bennett. #2 was excellent, opinions on #3 are mixed, #4 was great, and #5 was vile. I'll count that as 62.5%. Now, for Leonard Nimoy, he only produced one Trek film, number six. So he gets 100%! (Counting him as director brings him down to 83%, when counting TSFS as half-good, half-bad. More to the point, though, regarding whether the Paramount folk should want to keep him, all of Harve Bennett and Leonard Nimoy's Trek films have made money. Lots of money. Whereas Generations and First Contact did okay (adjust for inflation and they're kind of pitiful) and Insurrection is the first Trek film ever reported to have lost money. Why, you ask? Because, frankly, it stank! Few wanted to see it again, and others simply stayed away. Insurrection drew in about half as many ticketbuyers as The Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home (inflation-adjusted grosses: $70m vs $140m and $135m, roughly) and cost a helluva lot more. I would love to know why Paramount keeps rewarding such mediocrity...Trek will only become a bigger money pit the way things are going. It seems they do not understand that if they return to what the core audience wants, and do it well, they will rake in the dough. We could do a lot worse than with Harve or Leonard. And guess what? We are!

  • April 27, 2001 4:18 PM CST

    Joss Whedon does Trek?!

    by Antifanboy

    Urgh. Whoever heard such a horrible idea. He all but ruined the Alien franchise for the vast majority of people. Now someone wants him let loose on Star Trek which has enough problems without Whedon coming in with his stock plots, superficial characters and dodgy one-liners. Leave him on Buffy... I doubt anybody could make it any worse than it already is.

  • April 27, 2001 4:41 PM CST

    Son Of Batboy Can't Read

    by Bored Warrior

    The Reuters report confirmed what Viacom Girl said. Talks with Bakula broke down and he passed and now they're on again, probably about the same creative issues that she talked about. Both S.B. and Markie Post are guest stars on that stupid thing they're doing elsewhere, and Post is in another pilot too playing Electrawoman. It's interesting how everyone keeps dismissing these reports as rumors only to have them confirmed everywhere else a day or two later. Someone needs to vote Rich Vermin off the planet.

  • April 27, 2001 5:09 PM CST

    THE DEAD ZONE

    by JohnnyD

    VIACOM GIRL is not the ultimate insider. I have a friend who works on STEPHEN KING'S THE DEAD ZONE TV series and have actually seen an early cut of the pilot. It looks absolutely fantastic! Michael Hall is perfect in the role of Johnny Smith. And Nicole de Boer (Dax from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) gives a flawless performance as Sarah. Contrary to VIACOM GIRL's comments, the DEAD ZONE pilot is not just a carbon copy of the film version or the book, although it does remain remarkably true to Stephen King's material, which I believe is something King's fans will appreciate. Still, the pilot is unique from the film version in many ways, not least among them the fact that Johnny doesn't die at the end! The development of the various supporting characters -- including Sarah, Johnny's Doctor, etc -- are also significantly different from the film. The VFX techniques used for Johnny's flashbacks are incredible and have a huge emotional impact -- even at this early stage of post production. Once post production is complete, the overall effect should be outstanding. Rob Lieberman's direction is extraordinary. And Michael Piller's script is television drama at its best. Piller, of course, is best know for his work as head writer on Star Trek: The Next Generation as well as co-creating Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager. Other Star Trek alum working on the pilot include Editor Bob Lederman and Post Production Supervisor April Rossi. This is a top notch team. UPN will have an incredible franchise on their hands if the show gets picked up for the fall season.

  • April 27, 2001 5:20 PM CST

    What about the fightin'!

    by greydogs

    One concern that nobody has mentioned is the horribly coreographed fight sequences in the past three series'(TOS combat was saved by Sulu's sword fighting ability!). I've witnessed my share brawls and street fights and have never seen anyone feld by a chop or an extra slow double fist swing to the back(aka every fight sequence with Major Kira in DS9). Does Rick Berman coreograph these as well?

  • April 27, 2001 5:27 PM CST

    Antifanboy

    by Wookie Pot Pie

    When ranking the people who trashed the Alien franchise I think David Fincher must get top billing. All Joss Whedon tried to do was Help an already horrible script late in the game, had most of his work tossed out the window and the movie sucked about as much as it would have if he had never bothered. But what did Fincher do? Remember the last half hour of Aliens? Ripley kicks much ass and saves Newt and Hicks from certain death. Well fuck it lets kill em off any way and well do it offscreen during the credits. Good idea. Even Sigourney Weaver is doing more harm to this franchise than Whedon is. With that said, no Whedon would not be the best man to take over Star Trek. George Lucas would. WOOO HOOOO!!

  • April 27, 2001 5:34 PM CST

    The Paramount Empire Strikes Back!

    by DangerMan

    Anyone who doubts that Paramount doesn't get concerned about rumors should just read that shameless dead zone hype that just posted. No wonder the servers are always jammed. Everyone must be reading this shit we post.

  • April 27, 2001 5:47 PM CST

    I thought Whedon wrote all the early drafts to RESURRECTION

    by Tall_Boy

    Pretty sure that's it & then the director took his own crack at it. (changing the ending around) Whedon's original concept for the Newborn was WAYYY better then what showed up on screen, but the rest of the script was as is.

  • April 27, 2001 6:09 PM CST

    And I thought I was being helpful

    by Son Of Batboy

    The reuters report confirmed part of what she said. I did not dispute that negotiations were ongoing and I mentioned that it was a guest spot on this sitcom. She seems confused on part of the story. Specifically the reference to an "Adam" cast as the doctor, unless there is another Adam by some coincidence who is being considered for the doctor on Enterprise. In that case her scoop is flawless. And I think I read fairly well considering I'm blind.

  • April 27, 2001 6:43 PM CST

    IT HAS TO STOP!!!

    by Kid Z

    This ongoing, decades long geek jack-off fest known as "Star Trek" must end. The retread plots, cheap special effects, bad writing, horrible acting, lousy set design, low overhead must end. The legion of pasty-faced, plastic eyeglass frame-wearing, overweight, greasy-haired mutants must be destroyed. The cheap, flimsy, poorly-designed tie-in products must be dumped in a nuclear waste storage facility in the Nevada desert and burned. Let's start a jihad against this scourge, this canker sore on the collective sphinctor of humanity. The revolution starts right here, right now! Send Shatner back to Canada and put Berman's head on a pike outside Paramount studios!

  • April 27, 2001 7:48 PM CST

    my 2cents

    by thevision

    I agree that writers are not the main source of Trek's problems. They are not entirely innocent but the exec producers are the last word. Berman and Braga's main fault is that they never cared for the TOS. They couldn't wait to screw with Star Trek continuity-painstakenly worked on by TOS, animated series, the first films and novels. I was really pissed when they changed the MIRROR MIRROR universe. Voyager is painful to watch- ANOTHER GODDAMN EPISODE ABOUT THE HOLODECK!! The villains suck, especially the main villains-THE BORG, as emotionless as the rest of the show. For the billioneth time, please god fire the two Bs. I don't really mind Scott Bakula as the lead, but the prequel concept sucks- Berman and Braga's coup de grace to Star Trek continuity. "Fuck Robert April, we want our own first captain!" Jesus H. Chirst!!

  • April 27, 2001 8:02 PM CST

    WAKE UP!!

    by Orange Bat

    You don't think that Paramount wouldn't try to build up hype for a product by posting an overly positive review on a web site? WHY NOT!!! It is absolutely confirmed that Lucas' people planted info about Episode 1 on a bunch of sites. Also, they DO check out the various well-known movie and entertainment sites!! Once again, pointing at Lucas, he brought on help writing the script for Episode 2 based on fan reaction on the internet!! WAKE UP people!! Don't you think that at least SOME of the people at Paramount aren't also movie and TV geeks like us? Don't you think some Hollywood high ups come here for their own personal enjoyment? OF COURSE they're planting stuff!! OF COURSE they're reading our comments!! We are throught the looking glass people!! What's black is white, what's white is black!! *ahem* Sorry for that "JFK" moment. Got a little carried away...

  • April 27, 2001 8:25 PM CST

    here's a sci-fi concept for ya...

    by resistance

    How about a future society where artists surrender their creative vision to millions of internet cybergeeks who post their demands on websites. All material would be carefully evaluated and testmarketed to avoid offending anybody. These Art-Whores would live in subservience to the Cyber-Johns and be immediately executed if they showed any signs of thinking for themselves.

  • April 28, 2001 12:12 AM CST

    Enterprise

    by amadeus4000

    I haven't really been following any news of Star Trek since DS9 finished, after what I thought was an appalling final year. Voyager is the only Trek show I have ever switched off mid episode (several times) so I don't know what I really expect for the next show. I have to say that I do support the idea of Bakula in the lead role. Quantum Leap was a great show in its day and he did prove that he is an excellent actor on multiple occasions. Let's give him a chance and maybe we will finally ahve a show worth watching.

  • April 28, 2001 3:17 AM CST

    Buffy fanboys fight back!

    by Antifanboy

    No, Whedon wrote ALL the Resurrection drafts. Only the sycophantic Buffy fanboys refuse to think their leader is infallible. The fact is, each and every draft of Whedon's Resurrection script was pisspoor and we have Jeunet and Weaver to thank for making it part way respectable. Hell, I liked it, but it was just TOO Whedon-esque. Plus I liked Alien 3 and thought killing Hicks and Newt the best decision, though I do prefer Resurrection more. The only thing to blame Weaver for is for not noticing how bad Whedon's scripts were. I breathed a sigh of relief when Whedon said he wasn't going to work on anybody else's franchises again. At least that means Star Trek is safe from the likes of him. Now all it has to worry about is Berman and all the old guard.

  • April 28, 2001 6:09 AM CST

    Fire the two B's

    by Khan Singh

    Bragga and Berman will KILL the Star Trek frachise forever if Paramount likes them put this crapy rip off of Andromada on the air. These two just want to rip off Gene's idea for Andromada and claim it was their's, so therefore they must be as good as him. While rewriting Trek history so they can do whatever they want with it. If Paramount want to keep the Star Trek franchise alive and continue to make money from it, they have to star by getting rid of these two. Then hire Majel Roddenberry to replace Bragga, Shatner to replace Berman, and Leonard Nimoy and Jonathan Frakes to do the directing. Then hire back all the writers from TNG and tell them, no stories on the holodeck, or with the crew singing. Lastly, change Bragga and Bermans names to Bullshit, and Boredom!

  • April 28, 2001 12:04 PM CST

    Jonathan Frakes directing

    by Geekgrrl

    was what got us the pile of dung known as Insurection. Leonard Nimoy is much more brilliant as a writer and a director. He doesn't get half the credit he deserves. Shatner is a whiney has-been. He actually wrote new ST novels so that he could find a way for Kirk not to die. Personally I went to see Generations twice just to see him die. I want him to stay dead. Go sell Priceline or something. Sheesh.

  • April 28, 2001 4:10 PM CST

    Not surprising...

    by critical_theory

    That Paramount execs would be upset that their pet project has been raked over the coals on a site as visible as AICN. Then factor in that most talk back posts are helluv negative and trekies, always known as rabid, have been emailing UPN and Paramount, well ,yeah, I'd be upset. I think most fans feel they want the continuity to move foreward, and most non-fans wonder why the hell anyone would make yet another Star Trek show. Paramount is playing a loose loose game with this.

  • April 28, 2001 4:43 PM CST

    Shatner in Voyager

    by Antifanboy

    I always thought Voyager could have been saved from the pit of mediocrity if they'd encountered the Nexus, convinced the Kirk echo to come back with them and then voted Janeway into second in command. Hell, they could have pepped the series up no end if they'd had them move into the Beta Quadrant and encounter the far reaches of the Romulan Empire... but no, too daring and adventurous for good old Paramount, who wouldn't even let Picard get some action.

  • April 28, 2001 5:24 PM CST

    Most disturbing video ever

    by DomisInnerChild

    Is it just me, or is Christopher Walken dancing and flying in that Fatboyslim video the most disturbing image ever?

  • April 28, 2001 7:43 PM CST

    Antifanboy-You liked the script of Alien 3?

    by DomisInnerChild

    There goes all your credibility. You liked the script that defies all logic and pisses all over the first two movies? Look, some people like that movie because Fincher did some cool stuff visually (although I still believe he ripped off alien-cam from David Letterman's monkey-cam), but the movie's script simply sucks because the studio threw it together in a couple of months (proof: there was a teaser stating the aliens would be on Earth something like eight months before the movie came out). Most importantly (as silly as it sounds) the alien lacked motivation, basically making the movie Friday the 13th part 11: Jason wears a rubber suit. What the hell was it doing killing everybody in interesting ways rather than cocooning them up to make baby aliens when the queen popped out? Don't give me "but it was different, it came out of a dog", it didn't follow basic animal instincts. It wasn't threatened, there was nothing but harmless weaponless monks on the planet. It wasn't hungry, it seemed to leave plenty of scraps after each kill. It wasn't out for revenge (ala Jaws the Revenge), it just defied everything that was cool about the mysterious nature of the creature from the first two movies and became "how gory can you make this death scene Mr. FX guy? Blow out the guy's brains with the mouth thing... COOOOOL!". Damn, it didn't even cocoon up Ripley when it noticed she had a bouncy baby queenie in her tummy. You'd think it would hide her away where she couldn't fall into molten lead pits or anything. Killing Newt, Hudson, and Ripley diminished the meaning of the first two films. Who survived Alien 1-3? Just the freaking cat. What is this, pro-feline survival? The two characters we're rooting for in Aliens are dismissed offscreen by the lameness method possible, an electric fire on a military battlecruiser. WHAT!? You're telling me halon extinguishers are a lost technology in the future? Fine, check your brain at the door and a gillion dollar piece of hardware can be destroyed by a little spark, tell me why the escape pods (with no means of landing) are targeted at the nearest planet so they can plummet to a crunchy death? They deserved better than that horrible plot device. And Ripley? A phony T2 knockoff with religious overtones and the same garbage mother/alien daughter crap as Alien 4. Give me a break. The stupidity of the script had no bounds. A planet covered with lice? What do they eat? They're there so the monks have to shave their heads apparently. Why didn't they shave the dog? Why the hell would any company/government allow inmates to live on a distant planet (or decide to spend the money to build such a retarded clich

  • April 28, 2001 8:54 PM CST

    Apology

    by DomisInnerChild

    Sorry for the rant, I Alien 3 just pissed me off. Very tramatic teen experience.

  • April 28, 2001 9:37 PM CST

    why star trek sucks

    by jason123

    Star Trek was a great show. NG was a great show. DS9 sucked. Voyager was mediocre. Why? Trek was a product of its times. 65-68, trek, wild wild west, i spy, get smart, the defenders, big valley, they were all canceled after 3 years. Trek wasn't about space exploration. It was a conjecture on the one true universal constant. As long as a man has testicles, he will think with them. Kirk didn't use his brain, neither did Picard. Sisqo and Janeway used their brains every episode. Trek suggests travel. Voyager was about a couple hundred people trying to get home. I'm more intrested in what happened to the people from Earth 2. DS9 sucked, nuff said. DS9 wasn't Trek. Does anybody miss it? It sucked on every level. As did Voyager. Trek is about strange new worlds, action, and the captain getting laid. The crew on Trek had sex all the time. Real people have sex. As long as the new show is about the Federation, exploration, and getting laid, it will be good for at least 154 episodes.

  • April 29, 2001 5:28 AM CST

    Alien 3 script

    by Antifanboy

    The script for Alien 3 left a lot to be desired. The plot for Alien 3 left a lot to be desired. Whether anybody anywhere could have made it better I'm not sure. Personally, the film was saved for me by Weaver's performance and her double-act with Charles Dutton. And the Hicks/Newt thing had nowhere to go. Hicks was half-dead and if he'd survived, Ripley would have had nothing to do. And Newt would have become a burden, needing rescuing from the aliens yet again. Alien 3 took risks (starting and ending a movie on a downer) for which it should be praised. It was 100 times better than the 'kickass, badass' rehash the fanboys were after...

  • April 29, 2001 10:58 AM CST

    Damn, damn, damn.

    by BurninBullwinkle

    I'm a fan of the original Trek and most of the films. That's it. Everything else has been crap as far as I'm concerned. The only way this new series will satisfy fans is if they get the Galaxy Quest guys to do it. On a completely different note, This makes me more and more appreciative that there is no way UPN can fuck with Buffy. Thank God it's produced out of house and Whedon has creative control. Oh, for those of you debating Whedon out of the Buffy-verse, remember his work on Toy Story. (And you can tell he wrote the best stuff in Twister and Titan A.E.... Plus you can sense a little bit of him coming through on X-Men.) He's done some other good stuff, I'd just like to see him stick to Buffy for awhile, though. The Buffy franchise could be the next Trek if it's taken care of and not destroyed by overzealous Hollywood types. Here's looking forward to two more seasons of Buffy, more Angel, the Fray comic, the Buffy cartoon (in which we get to see the altered Dawn-inclusive past) and the movie in a few years. And in twenty-five years when Whedon isn't in charge of the franchise anymore and they have some Berman-protoge pumping out crap with the Buffy name, I'll be on here bitching about how good things used to be.

  • April 29, 2001 11:49 AM CST

    harlan ellison was creative consultant on bab5...

    by rogerboxlightner

  • April 29, 2001 12:03 PM CST

    harlan ellison was creative consultant on bab5...

    by rogerboxlightner

    I was watching an old episode of land of the lost the other day, and I noticed that the episode was written by larry niven. This inspired me to look up the land of the lost on the imdb, where I found that ben bova and walter koenig also wrote episodes of the show. i'm not going to say that land of the lost was a model show but at least they had the decency to hire some decent writers. I mean even Straczynski had the illustrious Harlan Ellison as a creative consultant. Also, am I the only one in the world that thinks it should be called Star Trek V'ger? As ST:TMP is the only one of the movies that i can take seriously on an intellectual level(all subsequent Trek movies, as wonderful and entertaining as they are, became silly action movies with guys with rubber chests and spock spontaneously determining how to go back in time to save the whales) and am pretty tired of the concept of the borg, couldn't they somehow tie that robot planet that transformed voyager to v'ger in with the borg? why isn't this obvious?

  • April 29, 2001 5:49 PM CST

    Get It Right, or Don't Bother

    by TheRepublican

    I remember the thrill of growing up watching the Original series, after school, Star Trek, and Starblazers, and a moo bar, were heaven. I really enjoyed TNG during my College years, then came DS9, I stopped watching Trek after several disappointing episodes, soon I was engulfed in the very Interesting world of Babylon 5, and frankly, Deep Space Nine was lame by comparison, I did not watch Voyager past the first season, some of those early episodes were so bad, It was embarrassing, I can only imagine how worse It's got since then, hell, I don't want to know, but I'll tell ya this, for Trek to survive, It needs fresh blood, most importantly a staff of writers that do something other than Soap Opera material, uh, try some Sci Fi talent, otherwise, don't bother. you won't keep my attention, and probably not many others either.

  • May 2, 2001 8:05 PM CST

    Series V - A SITCOM?!

    by MisterBean

    Series V should be a prequel-sitcom. That's what I think. It would be perfect! Retro sixties costumes, a coffee shop on the ship, and of course the ever-funny Scott Bakula. Hear me now: A Star Trek Sitcom is what the world needs!

  • May 18, 2001 12:20 PM CST

    Ultimate Captain

    by anointed

    James Spader, James Spader would make and awesome captain, alas so would I, all I need is to be discovered!!! HA HA