or was the Devil in this man who was teaching children the best way to commit suicide, and someone had to stop it?

so glad i wasn't in Waco at the time. that shit was scary.

Bottom line...David Koresh was the one responsible for getting all those people (including the ATF agents) killed. Like Randy Weaver said after the Ruby Ridge fiasco was over, "I shouldda just gone with 'em that day." Yeah dumbass, and maybe your wife and son would still be alive today. Who in this Good Ol' US of Aay doesn't understand that when The Law comes to your door, you do as they say or people are liable to get killed. The court of law is where you protest your innocence/guilt, not your doorstep. If you shoot at the law, they will come back at you with overwhelming force. Simple as that...

Koresh: Because we're so heavily armed.

Sam: Why are you so heavily armed?

Koresh: Because Sam, the government is after us!

obviously there is no black and white here.

the other side is "the feds were right to go in there with guns blazing, those crazies were crazy," justification.

the truth is somewhere in the middle, buried under a bunch of dead people and 15 years of speculation.

But if you're the type who always thinks everything done by the government is a conspiracy then I'm sure you doubt the validity of those reports.

HOWEVER, it is 100% unclear as to what is coming out/off of the tank because it is not projected like a flamethrower. For all intents and purposes, it looks more like something caught fire and fell off the turret and front-end of the tank as it was busting a hole in the compound.

You have proof of this? First I've heard of that claim. I own the Booth "documentary" and I've seen the footage a number of times. What I've seen does not look white-hot enough to be phosphorous.

From the same HACK director of Stigmata and even worse, THE FOG remake? For crying out loud, have you SEEN THE FOG remake? Talk about an absolutely BORING SHITFEST. I swear, Wainwright (the proposed director here) fucking owes me 2 hours of my life back for having produced the LEAST horrific horror movie I think I can ever remember sitting through.

So given that the whole POINT to a movie like THE FOG is to build the suspense over what will happen and this guy utterly sucked ass at that, I'm sure his directoral vision over the tension of the Waco standoff will be equally hackish and even WORSE than the TV Tim Daly movie.

As for what actually happened at Waco, you can watch all the documentaries you want but you and I will never know the whole truth. I suspect NOONE will except those involved and a lot of them are dead. However, if DK had simply gone with the ATF that first morning it is highly likely the tragedy would’ve been averted.

Agreed. Word.

thoughts? comments? response?

So, how DOES it feel to be AICN's token genocidal maniac who can't help but get bitchslapped on a routine basis?

Boy, I love having the truth on my side. And I really enjoy the fact that we have the TBs to prove it.

It may be in your best interest to only play with guys like Bone Jangles. I'm sure you guys would get along great!

With this movie you cannot get a winner. It will be interesting to see which side it takes though. There will probably be another one going the opposite way. Have no real intrest seeing it. Will save my money.

Opening scene should be Bill Clinton wiping the blood off his hands wearing a "I heart Ruby Ridge" T-shirt.

"Milosevic got a bad rap. He was just trying to save his country from Muslim invaders."

"There is no such thing as a right-wing dictatorship."

He also had this to say about the massacre in Srebrenica:

"If you want to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs."

He's also been known to refer to George W Bush as a "liberal", and Nazis as "leftists". Also, since Nazis were anti-smoking and Hitler a vegetarian, "liberals are Nazis." AnimalBraneBalls also condones the use of genocide as a political tool in war if American interests are at stake. He's one of the few truly evil talkbackers in AICN and the world would be a better place if he got run over by a bus today. Preferably three or four times. Y'know, just to make sure. This public service announcement has been brought to you by the CoC.

I know where this bollocks came from and it is historical revisionism of the worst most dangerous type.

Janet Reno's hands are awash in blood, and she skated for it. Can't wait for Harry to recover from surgery so he can find a way to blame Republicans for Waco.

I don't shrink from or lie to cowering pieces of radioactive fly shit like yourself!

I tell the truth, you motarded monkey fucker!

And speaking of getting owned, your ass was handed to you in the Indy TB, multiple times, but the intellectual beat down that Toadkiller put on you, made even you concede defeat, and try and weasel out of that one. The proof exists!

Go back to masturbating over Mein Kampf and please, please never breed.

Because he is basically simple he cannot see that the extremes share more common features than the middle- and therefore labels fascists as leftist despite the fact that Mussolini himself (the man that arguably invented fascism) said that one of the goals was to strive against trade unionism. I can do others without to much difficulty, but that doesn't sound very leftist to me.

He's a monster.

Christ, you pick and choose what you want to believe. You can't discard things that don't fit your beliefs.

If I come back tomorrow with a decent amount of Anti-left things from it will you give it up?

Benito Mussolini. Doesn't sound very left wing to me.

Give it up nut job. The man himself said he was right wing.

Didn't like "libs" much did he?

really BraneRobot?

why? cuz all the fags and new york city slickers are vegetarians?

christ, dude. get real.

and liberals think Jews are responsible for the worlds problems?

dude, you are so confused and deluded its amazing.

I didn't know that. We really are on the slippery slope to a fascist state

How on Earth have those quotes screaming I HATE LIBERALS proved you're point?

2)"Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction." Not a fan of universal education, then

3)"Woman's world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men." Not a huge pro-feminist then

Not to mention his rampant catholicism- these are not tentes of the left.

They both go round and round.

Give him a kicking, please guys.

So, the first quote is from Oscar Wilde, The Second one Was Dr Arnold and the third Emmeline Pankhurst.

Who do you think said them?

Him needs sum wuv an affekshun!

Poor widdle wounded wobot! Him was dwopped on head when jes a widdle branebot, now him all sqwambled up!

Him needs to jes push da self deestruct button, sos's he can get the res he needs.

Go on Bwain, push da button.

Push it, and send your negatronic brain straight to hell, because you so richly deserve it!

Toadkillerdog:"For someone who purports to have such high intelligence, you have some glaring weak spots in your intellectual fabric. One of those weak spots is your lack of flexibility. You take a position, and will fight to the death to defend it - regardless of the merits of that position. You are not alone in your intransigence on these boards, several ultra liberal posters do the same. But, instead of showing intellectual tenacity, all is exposes is a lack intellectual honesty and immaturity. I will give you an example of your own lack of flexibility. The genocide argument. Leaving aside how some might interpret your positions as actually advocating genocide - See your postion regarding Islam, that you contend is a scourge that should be wiped out. Some posit: How can you wipe out a religion but not it's followers? But I digress, what I really want to point out is your position on what actually constitutes genocide, and how that shows your are intellectually intransigent. You have stated that the Bosnian muslims, that were being sytematically wiped out by the Serbs, did not consistiute a genocide, because they were followers of Islam, and that there were more followers of Islam around the world, so it could not be genocide. You further tried to equate the number of deaths of the Bosnian muslims with the number from the American Civil war, and said because the Bosnian number was significantly less, it could not be genocide. You then rhetorically asked why is Bosnia considered a genocide, but the American civil war deaths not? I and others pointed out that the number of deaths does constitute a level of genocide, but intent does. i.e. if a tribe of ten was wiped out by a tribe of 20, that would constitute genocide. Any entire unique group of peoples were killed. That is what the Bosnian muslims represented. An entire unique group of people. The fact that they are Islamic, is irrelavant. If the Bosnian muslims are wiped out, the fact that a group of Indonesian muslims half a world away, still exist, will in no way mitigate the total elimination of a unique people. That is called genocide. That definition is what you refuse to accept. I think that I and others have presented a very sound and reasoned case for what constitutes genocide. But you refuse to accept that because of your intellectual inflexibility and desire to fight out your position to the death, regardless of how pointless it is. And that BraneRobot, not your so-called brand of conservatism, but your inflexibility, is why I and some others oppose you."

The response from Bwainy

Branerobot:"Let's say I cede your point about genocide for argument's sake okay? Now what? I still have the view that America has no business intervening in those affairs that have no direct correlation to American security. You're arguing semantics. Even if you weren't wrong about what genocide is, it still doesn't mean a thing as to what American foreign policy should be. Again, indifference is not advocacy! You seem to have a poor understanding of such terms."

Often times, when relacing with a warm cup of tea or a small bowl of potatos, I enjoy pondering the varying mysteries and, well...un-ponderables in life, such as what an alien race might make of our lovely little jaunt into sentience after a mere tick of the universal clock? Imagine, if you will, thousands of years from now...hell...millions of years. Imagine the remains of our species and our culture being analyzed by some future xenopologist much like our current anthropologists only many years into the future after humanity's solar exodus or autonomic extinction? Imagine reconstructing code and data from its core elements of zeros and ones and forming an elementary primer and then delving into the 'common' existence of our species.

I still say a kick to the nuts is funny. And a choreographed kick to the nuts is a fucking evil lie deserving of a testicular de-skinning in a cold alcohol pool.

They supported Saddam and supplied him with arms back in the day. Iran-Contra? Noriega? Duvalier? Pinochet?

By my count, the U.S. has supported 25 murderous dictators since 1930. We've had both Dems and Republicans in office over that time so I think the blame is shared, but to say Liberals are the only ones on the wrong side of history is preposterous. Nobody comes out clean here.

I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

Or if not so sublime, more like "Fuck you!!!" and then the retort, "No, fuck YOU!!!!" and so on and so on forever.

But it's definitely awesome. Totally. Absolutely awesome. Awesome at its most awesomest. Yes, awesome. All are awesome. All awesome indeed.

Really? You think Man's now largely unnatural relationship with the planet risks little or no consequence to the global environment? Anyone who choses to live in such a state of willful ignorance and arrogance is a complete and utter FOOL.

Besides, whatever happened to those core "c"onservative values like leaving the campsite (aka Earth) the same way you found it?

First, Obama. So, now you are defending the poor disenfranchised democratic voters, huh? Now you are defending poor Hillary Clinton? You are the hypocrite of the largest order.

Michigan and Florida tried to usurp the primaries, and jump the line, and were warned not to do so, but did it anyway.

ALL of the candidates agreed not to campaign in those states nor have their names on the ballot.

But Clinton did so anyway.

And now that she is losing, she wants those votes - that she agreed should not count, to do so.

Wow. Big shock

And it would be a bigger shock if Obama agreed to do so until after the nomination were secured.

Do you really think Hillary would accomodate him if the tables were reversed?

Did Bush agree to give up Florida? Would you have agreed that Gore won?

Secondly, I thought you had made progress when it came to fighting to the death over a point that you can ot win? I guess I was wrong.

Your latest screed about how the left is always on the wrong side of history, is simply absurd. MOM and HOD pointed that out already, but let me throw my inflation adjusted two cents into the mix.

I will ask two questions.

1)Was America's entry into WWII a mistake?

2)Would you call FDR a liberal or a conservative?