Fucking McG? Do I really have to call a grown man McG? That and he sucks as a director.

Bale was good in Equilibrium, and very good in The Prestige.

But he's not an Oscar caliber actor of renown. He's more like a modern Harrison Ford.

He can be serious and credible in a drama, like Ford in his streak of "good films", like Patriot Games, Fugitive, Witness, etc..

And he can be an iconic lead in big budget stuff, like Ford in Indy or Star Wars. (bale's got Batman, and now Terminator)

But Bale is not some pinnacle of great acting. Hate to say it, but he gets far too much fanboy love. I'm one of the fanboys that loves him, not a hater.

His involment alone isn't guarenteeing this won't be a turd burger.

That said, it'd be so awesome if he filmed for like 3 weeks and said: "Contract be damned, I'm not working on this crap film for this raging loony homo!"

McG would be pwnt, Terminator franchise would keep a little dignity, Bale would be the man.

*wakes up* Darn. Bale just wants the money, doesn't he? Oh well...

The only thing that worries me is the PG-13 thing. I think I'm getting a little tired of harmless cleansed horror and action. I want to see some Terminator action, not Punchinator of Offscreenterminatingtor. Cheers.

He can do hard R action and has a little experience with cheezy sci-fi.

Between him and McG, with a gun to my head and if I HAD to pick between the two for the future of Terminator, I'd pick Bay in a second.

A Bay Terminator movie is pretty much a nightmare, whereas McG staged very impressive set pieces where I could actually understand what was going on. He has the great lead, I hope the script is great. Let them release an R rated movie and count me the fuck in. Oh, and let there never be the words BAY and TERMINATOR on the same sentence, ever again. Thank you.

Now, on the on the other hand, Joseph McGinty Nichol (which is a fine name, really, especially for a grown-up person with a job and everything), has hardly proven himself to be anything more than another studio wonder-hack. Charlie's Angels had but one good thing going for it, and his name is Bill Murray, who wisely sat out the unwatchable sequel to go do quality, like Translation, Life Aquatic and Broken Flowers. This is definitely a make-it-or-break-it moment for the Man Who Would Be McG.

Yeah, his movies suck. What other reason do I need to not like a director?

Does he need to come over my house and bukake my mom until I'm officially able to not like him?

There. I said it.

Bateman, I mean Bale always said he'd do big Hollywood films as long as it gave him enough money to fuck off and do his small time stuff without worrying. He's a lot like Daniel Craig in that regard. But seriously he should be the Terminator.

Or maybe just don't make these films. I understand he starved himself for eighteen months to get down to that sickeningly emaciated holocaust look in the Machinist but some tortures are just too far...

I'm sure you'll come back with a list of actors you think are better than Bale, and you may be correct on some of them, but the bottom line is that list would be a very short one.

I just doubt even a superb actor can rescue what appears to be a totally lame prospect. But, hey, maybe he knows something we don't.

This future war is going to be dozens, hundreds of humans being rounded up like cattle and disposed of, being blown to shit and hunted down. And you mean to tell me no one's going to say "FUCK!" through all of that? Die Hard 4 sucked because of the PG-13 (among other reasons) and even the unrated DVD that added a few "fucks" here and there still had the "feel" of a PG-13 movie.

I'm not a gore-hound but movies need to have the freedom to tell the story that needs to be told.

Multiply by three, get Arnie to say ''Hi I am Robot-god, Job Done!

Anything other than your tired old 'Damn You Michael Bay' riff.

All other talkbackers - please help me out here...

Billy, I hate this little prick, too. An open missive to all AICNers - can anyone recollect a posting from MCMLXXVI that said something other than 'Damn You Michael Bay'?

If not, Harry, can you permanently delete this little prick's account?

T3 did to T2 what Alien 3 did to Aliens (coincidentally both Cameron films) shit on them. Negated everything in them in favor of its own continuity. Unlike T2, which had a middle act with actual dialog and emotion, T3 was a 1 1/2 hour chase scene. Admittedly the last 10 minutes were good.

But it is all about casting, too. Robert Patrick with no eyebrows would look stupid. And you can't re-use old tricks, I guess.

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And stating that T3 is better than T2 just makes it more ridiculous...

Thanks for listening, you fucking morons.

I actually didn't mind it.

For me it was the self-aware nature of the parody - sure they knew the movie was goofy and a little too cheesy for its own good, but they occasionally winked at you to let you know they were in on the joke.

So I figured maybe this McG is ok after all - unfortunately his sequel proved me wrong. Apparently he did a decent job on some other movie so I guess he's hit and miss...

Point being both of the original films from these franchises were "fun junk" as you say.

Only thing is, I'm not sure giving the same "in-joke" treatment that worked for Charlies Angels will necessarily work on a PG-13 Terminator film...??

Honestly, PG-13? For a franchise as bone shatteringly, cop killingly bloody as science fiction gets? Nah. I'm still bitter about that studio decision. People can argue that ratings don't matter, but I fundamentally disagree.

Example: a terminator faces off against a group of futuristic human soldiers. The R-rated version shows the soldiers getting mowed down with the long, fat terminator gun, getting sawed in half by rapid fire bullets as blood flies everywhere and soldiers die in agonizing pain as they fall to the earth, dead. In contrast, the PG-13 version shows a closeup of the terminator opening fire, several sweeping quick-cut shots of soldiers falling (no blood, no getting cut in half), then a closeup of a soldier's dead face.

See the difference? It's less graphic, less scary, less "holy shit!" It's the soccer mom version. Which is very disappointing and short-sighted of the studio.

I love Bale, but I'm shaking my head about the lost possibilites here.