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Oh Boy
by CarmillaVonDoom
May 22nd, 2008
11:00:51 AM
Here it goes again. F Bush
Happy B-day moriarty
by Diagnostic
May 22nd, 2008
11:00:56 AM
Happy bday
this project is just odd.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
11:02:39 AM
could be funny, but it just seems like an overblown SNL sketch.
Is that all Hooper can do anymore?
by Flaggg
May 22nd, 2008
11:02:47 AM
Lame.
fnord
by harrisonfnord
May 22nd, 2008
11:04:26 AM
shorely there is a chip thats tallented that could play bush
I disapprove of this new Bustedtees girl....
by FlickaPoo
May 22nd, 2008
11:04:43 AM
...the old one was much better. Much, much better....
fnord
by harrisonfnord
May 22nd, 2008
11:05:20 AM
chimp, sorry was trying to be cleaver
Oh, Dreyfuss?....I can see him pulling it off....
by FlickaPoo
May 22nd, 2008
11:05:31 AM
He already played this kind of role.
by Mosquito March
May 22nd, 2008
11:07:16 AM
I thought of him for the part after reading the EW article, but then I dismissed it because of the sinister, Machiavellian politican character he played in THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT.
I don't know what to expect, but I'm hoping to laugh.
by beastie
May 22nd, 2008
11:07:30 AM
This does sound like a comedy, based on the leaked script pages. Oliver Stone sounds like he's trying to be interesting again. I look foward to this flick.

Had to get my movie opinion out before the TB erupts with political bullshit from both sides.

INSPIRED BY HIS CASTING IN "THE AMERICA PRESIDENT"?
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
May 22nd, 2008
11:08:22 AM
Bit of fluff from Rob Reiner but damn that was a good cast...!!!
Sharks of Mass Destruction
by Samuel Fulmer
May 22nd, 2008
11:08:50 AM
Let's plead our case to the UN!
DICK CHENEY LIKES TAKING SHOWERS IN THE MORNING...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
May 22nd, 2008
11:09:26 AM
...AND HE DOESN'T LIKE PANTIES DRYING ON THE ROD!!!
I hope he include the
by Diagnostic
May 22nd, 2008
11:09:47 AM
Me neither, Diagnostic.
by beastie
May 22nd, 2008
11:11:00 AM
I hate the
by beastie
May 22nd, 2008
11:11:14 AM
HE WONT BE GIVING IT THAT WORKING CLASS HERO CRAP....
by Greigy Just Wanted To Say
May 22nd, 2008
11:11:26 AM
Been a long time since he had his teeth into a good role... and please don't mention that Syrupfest the was Mr Holland.
Good casting decision
by Mullah Omar
May 22nd, 2008
11:11:31 AM
I approve. Sure, he has already played characters like this, but I suspect people will remember this one more clearly.
Wait, he's actually calling it DUBYA?
by I Dunno
May 22nd, 2008
11:13:04 AM
or are you being whimsical? It's hard to tell on the internet.

Dreyfuss is a good actor but he doesn't come off as having an evil bone in his body (I'm sure someone will remind me of a movie where he played a bastard). And he doesn't have the voice. He's going to have to shove something very large in his rectum to pull it off.

TB SHITSTORM IN 3-2-1....
by Lost Jarv
May 22nd, 2008
11:13:36 AM
fucking liberals!
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
11:17:20 AM
just kidding. that was for you, Jarv.
Good choice, but I would have preferred...
by Leafar the Lost
May 22nd, 2008
11:19:52 AM
...Anthony Hopkins. Dick Cheney is one of the most evil "living" men in the world today, and he should be played that way. Richard Dreyfuss is a good choice, and I think he will do a good job as the "shotgun wielding maniac, Dick Cheney."
what this movie needs....
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:20:40 AM
1)A hungry, angry bear

Warwick Davis to play the first lady

3)Blonde midget whores

4)Bruce Campbell playing 14 different roles

hmmm...forgot 2)
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:21:12 AM
mutter.
Remember Al Haig
by JML9999
May 22nd, 2008
11:21:23 AM
In the Reagan thing
"I don't think you are familiar with the fact that invading Iraq
by I Dunno
May 22nd, 2008
11:23:12 AM
....uh, I'm familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it shoves a WMD straight up your ass!

Now there are two ways to deal with this problem. You can either kill this animal Saddam or you can cut off his food supply. We tried the latter for 15 years. Now I want you to take a long hard look at this statue. Those proportions are correct."

"I could pump some 12 gauge buckshot into him"

"You're going to get these little pellets through his skin?"

"No, I can't do that. But maybe if I can get him into a quail hunt I can shoot him in the face...."

JPT!
by Franklin T Marmoset
May 22nd, 2008
11:25:36 AM
Clearly, you are avoiding the giant Indy talkback. Fair enough. Enjoy the film, whenever you see it. I just got back - it's kind of a mess but enjoyable enough if you can overlook the flaws.

I have no opinion on this Dick business. Unless it's Rob Lowe's dick, of course...

Doggie Bag?
by canadien666
May 22nd, 2008
11:26:45 AM
What does our current VP have to do with "pitbulls"??? -proudpitbull(s)owner!
Frankie - you are correct!
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:28:27 AM
I'm avoiding it like it's Kathy Bates panties.
What a terrible fucking president!
by Sithdan
May 22nd, 2008
11:29:38 AM
Fuel prices are at an all-time high. OPEC said there is no increased demand, and that the demand stems from our own country. This means domestic oil barons are driving the prices higher and higher while the Bush administration sits back and does nothing about it. High gas prices is the catalyst that plummeted our nation into economic ruin. It set off a chain reaction that has shaken the foundations of the housing market, food prices and airline businesses. Those who vote for another Republican in 2008 need to have their heads examined.
Don't forget "just pillow talk"
by JML9999
May 22nd, 2008
11:29:53 AM
The Dancing Penguins
"This was not a blimp accident"
by I Dunno
May 22nd, 2008
11:30:27 AM
It wasn't a giant bird, it wasn't a cruise missile and it wasn't Jack the Ripper. It was a muslum."
Agree with the extended SNL skit comment
by lsleelee
May 22nd, 2008
11:33:21 AM
worst. script. ever.
Harry, you ignorant slut....
by ginrei724
May 22nd, 2008
11:35:25 AM
Nothing to say really. Don't like the Bush administration, but no more, no less than the Clinton one. Honestly, just keep the fucking politics off an ENTERTAINMENT site.

That is all.....

"This was no boating accident!"
by MCVamp
May 22nd, 2008
11:36:09 AM
"It was a WMD. A big one."
The American President
by Curious_Jorge
May 22nd, 2008
11:36:32 AM
No doubt he'll play the same overbearing, vapid, two-dimensional stereotype he played when he almost sunk The American President.
Oh, and Sithdan....
by ginrei724
May 22nd, 2008
11:37:35 AM
Wow, you really have no idea how it all works do you? It's fuckers who buy the oil futures (who then in a few months SELL THEM TO THE OIL BARRONS) who are driving prices up. Yes, it is Americans causing this rise in oil prices. No, it isn't OPEC (though I wish we could blame them). And Yes, you are talking out of your ass. Wow....
JML9999
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:37:50 AM
No need to put my handle into quotes.

The penguins can only be in it IF they are fully armored and have rockets on their backs like Batman Returns. And they must be on steroids and have giant fangs. And if by dancing you mean attacking, then yes, we can have dancing penguins.

Ginre724
by Sithdan
May 22nd, 2008
11:43:31 AM
It doesn’t take an economist to know that domestic oil corporations like ExxonMobil are raking in record profits.
ginrei724
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:46:51 AM
That is not the only reason why oil is going up. They are discovering less oil with each passing year, and the size of the oil fields they do discover has been shrinking. With the huge economic growth by China (mainly), that has further put pressure on supply. The U.S. has also not brought on-line any new oil refineries in decades I think, so there's only so much oil that can be refined at once.
Yay, this again...
by NeoMyers
May 22nd, 2008
11:48:51 AM
aintitannoyingnews.com
Sithdan
by ginrei724
May 22nd, 2008
11:50:57 AM
"Record profits".... What exactly are "record profits"? If you mean "They are making money when gas is so expensive" then yes... They are. It would be pretty stupid of them to NOT make any profits and still consider themselves a business.

Yes, they're greedy... ALL corporations are. The entire POINT of a business is to make money, not charity. And if you think AMERICAN oil companies are raking it in, you should check out Chinese and Indian ones (companies which aren't strangled by retarded left-wing nutjobs who won't allow them to drill for more oil in frozen wastelands, thusly bringing the supply problem down and thusly reducing prices for the country that they reside in). But no, you're right. It's so much easier and more fun to yell out "Those bastards is making money when I has to pay $4 a gallon for gas!!! GRRRR!"

Ride a bike to work, hippie. Start a carpool. Buy a cheap, little moped. Or, INVENT AN ALTERNATIVE FUEL. If you're going to bitch, without a solution, then you're just PART OF THE PROBLEM

Goddamn hippies......

Very nice
by krushjudgement
May 22nd, 2008
11:51:35 AM
I hadn't even thought of him.
I know 90% of you here are non-thinking liberals, but,
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
11:51:48 AM
What do you think is going to happen if Al Gore or any of the Environmentalist Mafia gets in charge of our country. They WANT us to have high gas prices! They want us to stop using as much gas and slow down all consumption. The only way to ensure that is extremely high gas prices. Unfortunately, you can't have both a gigantic cut-back in fossil-fuel production and a roaring economy at the same time. Our economy will have to shrink in size to accomodate all the side effects of high gas prices. So go ahead, keep blaming Bush for everything that you see wrong with this country. He's gone in 9 months. What will you complain about then and who will you blame? Do you really think your saviour Obama will do anything? He can't "fix" gas prices. The President can't do anything to lower prices, he can only do things to make them go up. Besides, Obama's such a wimp he can't even get his own party in line, how the hell will work with Congress or strong-arm world leaders? He's a lightweight that no one will be afraid of. He scares no one. He's in over his head. That's why terrorist leaders throughout the world can't wait for Bush to be gone and are openly ruiting for Obama. 7 years without another attack. Let's see how crybaby, don't pick on my wife, Obama does, idiots...
I'm laughing my ass off...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
11:52:01 AM
I don't know why everyone is so bitter and angry.

I think the last 7 year have been the FUNNIEST of my life!

And yeah, I'm including in that hilarity the 3,000 plus dead in Iraq, the destruction of two beautiful towers and symbols of American commerce, the pathetic opinion most of the world has of my home country, the restrictions of civil liberties in the face of invisible threats, the arrogance of a prince that never should've been king, the ignorance of an ancient administration that should have known better, the inexperience of those chosen for likability rather than policy making-ability, the laughable notion that George W. Bush believes God talks to him and told him to invade Iraq, and bring peace to Israel and Palestine (good luck with that)....

Seriously, this movie should be fucking hysterical.
But not 400 percent!
by Sithdan
May 22nd, 2008
11:53:07 AM
The discovery of less oil each year and increased demand in China and India didn't make the oil prices jump 400 percent in a span of four years. Did everyone in India start buying cars last year? Please. The market is being manipulated domestically by traders/oil corporations while Bush and his cronies stand by and do nothing. Oil barons throw their arms in the air and say the prices are hurting them as well, yet they reap record profits. Of course I do my part. I no longer drive to work (I live less than a mile away) and only fill up my gas tank once every two weeks.
Shit, I was hoping it would be the other Hooper.
by Nordling
May 22nd, 2008
11:55:12 AM
Burt Reynolds as Dick Cheney! "They call him the Bandit..."
Coughlins Laws
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
11:56:06 AM
You're my hero.

"Environmentalist Mafia"....classic. Since gas prices have been rising in Bush's term, does that mean he wants us to have high gas prices too? Does that make him part of the "Environmentalist Mafia" as well?

IS LUCAS A CONSULTANT ON THIS?
by BurgerTime
May 22nd, 2008
11:56:38 AM
He needs to be if Stone is going to portray Darth Cheney with any credibility.
Who was in office when we WERE attacked?
by Sithdan
May 22nd, 2008
11:58:46 AM
The last time I checked, it was under Shrub's watch when we did get attacked. Bin Laden, the so-called mastermind of the attacks, is still at large, and terrorism is at an all-time high. Hell, World War II was won in six years, and we haven't even put a dent into the terrorist threat. Bush is a failure and a pitiful excuse of a president.
Coughlin...you're not paying attention...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
11:59:20 AM
You've obviously created this perfect little argument that makes immaculate sense within your head...why not keep it there, cause to the rest of us it's laughable.

I don't blame Bush for everything I see wrong with this country, only those things that are extensions of or attributed to his FAILED policies.

Now I can respect that you may be part of that 13 percent that still thinks he's doing a good job, keep it up. Buuuuuut how is US looking at the failures of the Bush policy and commenting on them worse than you, who is proclaiming failure over an Obama administration that doesn't even exist yet!?!?!

Also, don't toss around the "7 years with no attacks, bitches" line...it's proof of NOTHING! September 11th was a tradgedy, but FREE COUNTRIES SUFFER.

Also, I don't get the fucking HERO worship of Bush and Gulianni after 9/11. I know it's tradition to rally around the flag after a tradgedy, but why was no one like "THIS HAPPENED ON YOUR WATCH!!!!!" Almost every other nation in the world has had to deal with terrorism in droves...we just happen to rather geographically secure here.

Seriously, I mean I don't have HIV so that must be Bush's doing too.
And Harry, do you really think Cheney is "evil"?
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
11:59:58 AM
You foaming at the mouth liberals are just impossible. You don't debate. You don't even bother to argue any points any more. Just a laundry list of complaints and name calling. You end every discussion by saying things like, Bush lied, Bush is stupid, Cheney is evil, etc, etc, etc. There are plenty of reasons to dislike this Prez, but calling him stupid is just not supported by any facts. He has a Yale education and an MBA from Harvard, he also flew jets for the National Guard. Is that something you could do? True, his name got him in the Ivy Leagues, but they don't just pass legacy kids unless they are smart. There is no way you would be able graduate from Yale or Harvard, even with C's. There is no way you would be able to learn to fly a jet. Since he can accomplish those things and you can't or won't, doesn't that make you more stupid than him? So go ahead, call him stupid and Cheney evil, it'll make you feel better. Just remember, your opinion isn't fact.
Gas Prices
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
12:05:04 PM
No government in the world can do anything directly about oil/gas prices, and any politician who says otherwise is pandering. Its the hand of the free market, plus speculation. China is about to pass the US to become the single largest purchases of oil in the world, India is not far behind, and in the long term the 2 billion people in those two countries growing increasingly wealthy is what is going to keep the price of oil high. Say goodbye to oil under $100 ever again, the 1 billion people in North America/EU/Japan no longer are the only players. As a total tangent, reading all these G.W.Bush political arguments, I am struck by the number of people who do not trust their government to manage something like health care, but trust their government to send them off to some foreign land to die for their country without question, no matter how dubious the cause.
i support rising gas prices.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
12:05:13 PM
anything to make America look into alternative fuels is the right way to go.

and this, coupled with the fact that i do ride my bike to work, will label me a hippie.

although pot makes me ralf.

I don't support the President anymore, but you
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:06:01 PM
are blaming him for every wrong in the country and giving him credit for nothing good at all. We don't live in a utopia. Things will never be perfect. Sorry to inform you of that. I know you probably haven't lived a lot of life yet, but just be glad you didn't grow up during the 60's and 70's. Oh, and by the way, Bush was in office a total of 8 months when we were attacked, alot of his cabinet wasn't even sworn in yet. Plus, the hi-jackers were in this country for 5 years planning the attack. Plus, I'm sure you would have supported our Govt arresting those 20 hi-jackers on September 10th, guys with no criminal records and no proof they were going to do anything, right? You would have been all for us holding 20 Arabs with no records? Doesn't sound like you...
Please let's keep fucking politics out of this
by I Dunno
May 22nd, 2008
12:07:32 PM
This is a Goddamned movie site. Go to Fark.com to talk politics. That's where the Bush-bots get solidly owned and can't argue for shit. So look at it as a challenge. But for the love of Christ, let's keep it light in here.

Anyway, Tripp, the engineer from Enterprise should have played a younger Bush. He looks just like him

THIS WAS NOT A BOA-er HUNTING ACCIDENT
by The Duke of New York
May 22nd, 2008
12:07:49 PM
I am pleased to hear that Mr. Dreyfuss will be joining the cast.
OH AND GOTTA AGREE WITH WIENER PENIS
by BurgerTime
May 22nd, 2008
12:08:35 PM
The oil men (and women) are fucking everyone over. And the government won't do anything about it because they either a) make shitloads of tax revenue off higher prices, b) are half staffed by former oil executives anyway or c) recieve buckets of campaign money and support from big oil.

So we'd all just better get used to the fact that, until they decide it's time to start using alternate fuels and energy, we're going to have to bend over and yell "please sir, can I have some more" until our asses bleed from the collective raping we're going to take at the pumps.

And that won't be for a very long time, because face it, oil's infrastructure is so established and easy, that it's just a license to print money.

Bitches.

The Environment
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
12:09:24 PM
On another note, high energy/water prices are going to do more to make this planet green than any international treaty or political initiative. Global warming is here and is not going to go away for anyone who is alive today. On 60 minutes the US Forestry service projected that in 50 years HALF of all the forests in the western US will be gone, due to drought and wildfires. People are fundamentally greedy, its a hard wired product of human evolution, and despite what they say in public, most will vote with their wallets in private. If we want the worlds environment to improve, we need expensive energy and water.
Coughling...one more time here...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:09:27 PM
...just because I don't think you're getting it.

When one is trying to argue, it doesn't help to accuse the other person of something and than do nothing but have your argument consist of what you were accusing him of.

As far as I can tell, I am attempting to do nothing BUT argue points.

And just to show you what it looks like to make a point...I don't think that Bush is dumb. I think he's HIGHLY inarticulate and more of a "good ole boy" than an intellect. Though, the more troubling aspect to me is that I believe that HE believes he was ordained by Jesus Christ to be President.

I'm gonna end with the quote you ended with...though to most this is QUITE obvious...."Just remember, your opinion isn't fact." (DA-HOY)
Coughlins Laws
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
12:10:16 PM
how can you say "You don't debate. You don't even bother to argue any points any more. Just a laundry list of complaints and name calling," right after you say "foaming at the mouth Liberals"?

doesn't sound like you are doing any better a job at debating.

whatever. people's minds are set. a talkback slapfight sure as hell won't bring someone around.

The conservatives
by Smoke Monster Loves Kate
May 22nd, 2008
12:11:29 PM
told us that we were making much ado about nothing when Bush took office.

Then everything went to hell.

Now they're telling us that Obama won't be able to change anything.

Fast forward two years and, keeping in line with the pattern, I bet the country's completely reversed course.

How does the Republican party continue to survive? Now that the corporations and big business are realizing they can do all the corrupt shit they'd like from within the liberal camp, perhaps it's the beginning of the end for the evangelicals.

It's not that liberals are any better imo. It's just that they ARE America. America is the leader of the LIBERAL Western world, of the entire world. It's idealogy is liberal. The constitution is liberal. All our founding father were liberal. The idea of 'relative' 'conservatism' within that is a joke. It was just a phantom movement propped up to hide the actions of those rich interests.

The only true conservatives are the evangelical freaks.

WeinerPenis
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
12:13:34 PM
Nice. I'm a moron.

Please tell me in my post where I said that "no new refineries are allowed".

I said "The U.S. has also not brought on-line any new oil refineries in decades I think." I did not assign blame to anyone in particular with that sentence as to why there are no new refineries. Nor was I defending the oil companies.

Please read more carefully before calling someone a moron. I actually agree with what you said, but you can fuck off all the same.

Hey weinerpenis, what technology would AlGore
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:14:17 PM
have come up with that could compete with the availability and relative low cost of oil? Would AlGore have replaced all thousands of gas stations in this country and replaced them with (fill in imaginary alternative fuel) stations? Would he replace the millions of cars in this country with this new form of transportation? Or would he replace the internal combustion engines in all existing cars with an engine powered by your new imaginary fuel? I hate to break it to you but, like it or not, oil has an 80 some year headstart and we are decades away from anything that is as readily available or would be as cheap. Oh, BTW, ist's funny how someone quoting someone else is telling me to not parrot what I hear. AlGore has been giving his same presentation for 10 years and tell me what predictions have come true. Also, look up the first Earth Day in 1972, if you can find time, they were all crying about Global COOLING back then! I shit you not!
Smoke Monster Loves Kate....I like you.
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:14:55 PM
Your politics are your own. You be good people.
satiric is the correct word
by tompiltoff
May 22nd, 2008
12:15:23 PM
Because this is not a movie that is going to contain a whole lot of truth.
Harry started his article calling Cheney "evil", he's called
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:19:32 PM
Bush worse than that. I'm waiting for someone to tell me what's gonna replace oil. And saying foaming at the mouth liberal is more descriptive than name calling. It's different than calling someone evil, no?
Here we go again
by Craig2574
May 22nd, 2008
12:19:37 PM
Bush sucks Bush does not suck Bush sucks Bush does not suck Bush sucks Bush does not suck Bush sucks Bush does not suck I really should really start a bugs bunny routine in here to make some of you change your mind.
Coughlin....still not paying attention...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:21:53 PM
Global Warming as a notion has been around since the 50's and has gone through many iterations. Climate Change is climate change...the mere fact that you dispute it in the manner you did ("global cooling")demonstrates your ignorance. (hey, it's your words that damned you, not mine)

Terminology has changed (green house effect, global warming, climate change, etc) and there WAS a time when rational people thought that the year changing to 2000 would make planes fall out of the sky. This is not an argument about the intelligence of the American people....

yes, he is a terrible president....
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
12:22:30 PM
However, unless obama screws up. McCain will get the republicans a third terms. That for the Republicans was a stroke of genius. slowly bringing in the maverick, short tempered, McCain back into the party. This will leave a united party behind McCain. to slug it out with a less then united Democrats. giving them hope the republicans a third term. god I hope not. that is what I fear.
If it's anti-Dubya, it can't be true...
by Heckles
May 22nd, 2008
12:22:44 PM
...at least that's what apologist neo-con's tout at every corner. Anything that paints him as an ineffective boob is either a liberal plot or just a lie. Writing is on the wall.
WeinerPenis
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
12:23:38 PM
I have worked in the oil industry for ~10 years, and every time some government looks into price fixing in the North American oil industry they find nothing. OPEC is a cartel, but it never worked very well because the various dictatorships who are members invariably cheated. OPEC is no longer relevant because they can no longer have a significant direct impact on world oil prices. They simply cannot produce enough oil to affect the price. Also note that the number 1 supplier of oil to the US is Canada, who is not a member of OPEC.
one, two, three...
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
12:24:28 PM
Cheney is a nut, he has a rubber butt and everytime he turns around he goes put put....
weinerpenis, that's funny, Bush is supposed to just
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:25:31 PM
make OPEC lower gas prices. How? A phone call? Is that what Obama is gonna do? If they don't listen, then what? Do we go to war for oil? I thought there's "NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!!" How do we make OPEC listen to us? It's collection unelected dictators, some of them genocidal mad-men. How do we tell them what to do? Bush is gone in 6 months. Obama will be there for 4 to 8 years tops. These guys run their countries for 20 30 years at a time. They don't care what we say.
Coughlin..There are some that do see Cheney as "evil"...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:25:42 PM
...I'd never use the term since I think it's a human construct and that there REALLY is no "evil"

But using the same terminology, I certainly don't see him as a force for "good".

I truly believe he doesn't care at all what the American people think, which is certainly NOT GOOD

I do think he's pretty much solely out to make sure that him and his is taken care of for as long as is foreseeable. Also, not good.

Hmmm...Oh, and he shot an old man in the face....Hmmm.
gas prices
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
12:25:59 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5kdve5
I heard that this film was going to be balanced
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
12:26:35 PM
stone said that there would be stuff in it for bush's critics and other things that will suprise some people.
Dreyfuss is a little guy...
by buffywrestling
May 22nd, 2008
12:28:17 PM
who can act ten feet tall. No complaints from me about this bit of casting. After all, it has to be better than Poseidon.
Thinly veiled attempt at influencing an election.
by sedavis
May 22nd, 2008
12:29:14 PM
I am a conservative who does to like pretty much anything Bush has done. But this movie is not about Bush, it is about trying to influence an election. There is no other reason to push the timetable of shooting, editing and delivering this flick before November than for that reason. Blast Bush all you want but do it after he leaves office. Stone is one of my favorites but he gives a bullshit reason of "Bush is a good story" for doing this movie. What about his idol Kennedy or other historic Presidents? As far as the election goes, we are screwed either way we go as far as I am concerned. I am just hoping that four years will travel by fast for whichever one wins this election between the bullshit artists that are running.
What's with the sudden...
by kuldan
May 22nd, 2008
12:31:40 PM
What's with this political bashing that suddenly has arisen from the site's owner? I thought this was an entertainment site, and instead we are subjected to one-sided pandering much like an actor who has just won an Oscar, and decides to use the podium as a place to speak their politics...
I'm not showing "ignorance" They called it GLOBAL COOLING
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:34:32 PM
So which is it? Warming or cooling? Do we cause both? Or maybe neither? You don't know. Everything is blamed on global warming. Hurricanes, tornados, hot summers, warm winters, cold summers, cold winters, every single thing that happens can conveniently be linked to global warming. What a wonderful arguement. BTW, the Professor Paul Ehrlich, AlGore's hero, on the first Earth Day in 69 was predicting that our popultion would shrink to 22.6 million by 1999 from food shortages caused by Global Cooling. Wow, they were a little off there. I wonder if they're right now?
Electric Cars
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
12:38:34 PM
The Economist recently had an article on electric cars. They are indeed the future, however there are three issues holding them back. 1) Where is all that additional electrical energy going to come from? We will need approximately 4 times the current electrical supply to replace all fossil fuel automobiles. Our collective power grids are already overloaded with the increased demand from air conditioning that global warming is causing, what is going to happen once we all start plugging in our cars? There are long term solutions in wind, solar and tidal but the only practical short term solution is nuclear. It takes at least 10 years to get a new reactor online, so this is not going to happen fast. Coal, natural gas and hydro electrical are not as environmentally friendly as the other options, however with carbon capture technologies coal and gas become friendlier. There is also the NIMBY issue of where to put the additional power lines that will be needed as well. Eventually, waaaay down the road most people might be able to live off grid reducing this problem. 2) Safety issues with batteries. The batteries in the existing hybrids are more of a safety hazard than the automotive manufacturers would like to let on. In an accident there are electrocution issues as well as all that battery acid flying around not being very good for organics in the immediate area. Also the existing batteries do not hold enough charge to run for very long without a gas engine to top them up. The next step up in battery life is Lithium Ion. However, greater energy storage means greater energy release in an accident. Take a look at what can happen with just the energy stored in a single laptop battery: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QJCZ4ayioCU Lithium Ion batteries tend to explode into a fireball whenever they either overheat or have there protective casing punctured, either of which could easily happen in an accident. So we are talking the Ford Pinto on steroids here. Honda and Toyota feel it will be at least 10 years until they can get the safety issues worked out, but GM is rushing there Volt to the market for 2010 out of financial desperation. Fireball on wheels, but I am sure their actuaries have already done the math on the eventual court cases, just as Ford did with the Pinto. Also if you cannot plug in and charge you car in 5 to 10 minutes, people are not going to find the technology very convenient. Currently nothing can compare to fossil fuels for energy storage and recharge time. 3) Bigger upfront cost and maintenance bills for electric/hybrid vehicles than gasoline. Are you going to save the 5 to 10 grand on gas over the lifetime of the vehicle relative to just buying a four banger? Maybe. But the bigger upfront and maintenance cost of going bleeding edge will be something that only the wealthy nations will be able to bear for the first 10, 20, 30 years the new automotive technology will be on the market. Initially while North America and Europe adopts the new electrical vehicles, the rest of the world will still rely on cheaper old tech gasoline engines.
weinerpenis, what you're saying is painfuly naive
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:39:10 PM
You're sitting there typing with a straight face that you know that the leaders of OPEC want Republicans President because they can then keep gas prices high? What will Obama do to lower gas prices? Threaten to have a new imaginary fuel in 10 to 20 years? Is that really what you're saying to me? Obama can't even scare off Hillary...
Dreyfus is the man!
by kafka07
May 22nd, 2008
12:39:37 PM
he can do it. This movie is going to be fucked up. It's going to fuck Bush up. Fuck Bush.
First, Poseidon, now this.
by thebearovingian
May 22nd, 2008
12:39:53 PM
You've lost that lovin' feeling, Richey D!
Coughlins Laws, fuck gore and cheney
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
12:40:53 PM
They both lie all the time. Gore is a hypocrite. Cheney is playing you and your children. His agenda is to keep you a work and child producing american for his bosses (the fed/worldbank) while they squeeze dollars out of forgin economies, your pocket, and mine. The fact is our money supply is a fabrication as is the need for war. The terrorist all came from Saudi Arabia, the homeland of Osama. Sadam wanted too big a cut of the profits the US could make from Iraq. SADAM SHOOK RUMSFELD'S HAND, you know the picture. I hope you see that people like you and I would never send an american to die for a monetary reason (oil included). i can tell you love america like me, but I see the flaws in leadership going on right now and it totally freaks me out!

SO CHENEY IS EVIL BECAUSE HE DOESN"T HAVE A SENSE OF THE WORTH OF A HUMAN LIFE. IMHO

The funny thing about electric cars is that the increased
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:44:50 PM
electricity we'd need would be dirty for the environment, too. Even if we had something today, it would still take decades to ween people off cars. Then, we'd also have millions of lower-income people to catch up. There's just no way to artificially do it ahead of time. It needs to be extremely gradual, not forced on us prematurely by the government, otherwise we may face years long reccessions or depressions.
Coughlin...I believe you...but you're still not gettin it...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:44:57 PM
And watch the capitals, Sully. I didn't say they DIDN'T call it global cooling...just that you using that as an argument against it was ignorant. Did you even read the rest of my post!?!?

Now stop Wikipediaing Earth Day and LISTEN...when i was in school in the 1970's an engineer told us that by 1995 we'd be able to fly our cars over traffic. Didn't happen did it? So, is it POSSIBLE that even with you quoting this man from 1969 and examining his findings in todays context..that Climate Change exists? Is it POSSIBLE!?! Just answer that.....Is it possible, even with your AIR TIGHT first Earth Day argument, that SINCE then science has been further perfected? I know the idea of something PROGRESSING as time goes forward must be really tough to grasp...
Dreyfus can only do an impression
by Marillion
May 22nd, 2008
12:45:21 PM
I've met Dick Cheney. Beyond the gruff, pissy exterior we see on TV, he's actually a quiet, introspective man. He says what he feels and that's it..

Dreyfus, while an excellant actor, is SO politically wrong for the roll that I expect his Cheney to only embody what we see on TV.. Dreyfus has played the character a hundred times in other movies.. He plays a great asshole..

The problem is that with a real person like Cheney, that kind of portrayal will come off as dishonest and unbelievable. While the haters may relish in that kind of portrayal, true politically-minded people will knock it.

g-ride9000, tell that to weinerpenis, I don't think he would
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:50:05 PM
mind blood for oil if it was a Democrat in the White House. AlGore wrote a book about the Earth. It doesn't take much courage to make predictions that will happen long after you're dead. But, it's convenient to let you say anything you want and not be challenged. Oh, BTW g-ride, are you then FOR going to war with Saudi Arabia?
Marillion...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:51:19 PM
I agree that we'll probably only see a Dreyfuss riff on the DICK we all know...but this isn't a dramatic biopic.

I'm looking forward to a farcical black comedy look at King George and his cronies.
WeinerPenis and Saudi Arabia
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
12:51:20 PM
WeinerPenis, should the US government not put pressure on Canada to pump more, not Saudi Arabia, since Canada is the number 1 supplier of oil to the US? And what about Mexico at number 2? The OPEC nations are essentially maxed out. If oil producing countries where to theoretically magically up their production significantly in the short term, this would drop the price of oil which would speed the growth in world demand which will drive prices back up for a finite resource as world reserves dwindle. The world has to get off of fossil fuel dependency, and expensive oil is the best way to promote that. Cheap gasoline is not some American right.
This will BOMB
by Jed Black
May 22nd, 2008
12:51:21 PM
Nobody cares. Everybody hates Bush and the war but guess what N-O-B-O-D-Y C-A-R-E-S! There is no money in making anti bush and anti war movies. It's bad business and it's fucking lame. Oh and everybody complaining about the government like it's all Bush's fault, what about the Democrat controlled HOR and Senate? Things didn't start to go into free fall until that hatchet-faced bitch Pelosi grabbed power. I hope Cindy Sheehan unseats her bony ass and soon.
Coughlins Laws, compression air cars
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
12:52:36 PM
with solar pannels/hybrid break system. There is an amazing french company working this shit out. i think the lamest ideas are eletric moter and biodisel. They are trading one problem for another. Compressed air technology is way more advanced than you could imagine....look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A ir_car

Marillion...
by Jed Black
May 22nd, 2008
12:55:14 PM
Dreyfuss doesn't "play a great" asshole, he is an asshole and has lots of practice.
I agree the House and Senate have been USELESS since 06
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
12:55:53 PM
...but they don't have a democratic president on their side and when it comes to issues on Iraq they don't even have a majority since Leibermann (waaaaaaah) votes with the Repubs.

Brian's Life, alot of things are possible, but how can we trust
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:55:55 PM
the outrageous forecasts on what will happen? They can't accurately predict next weeks weather, let alone, next months, or next year's hurricane season, or a decade down the road. Why should what they say about the next 50 years be taken seriously? The solutions are all aimed at curbing the United States economy. Obama said it wasn't fair that we use 25% of the worlds oil while only making up 3% of the population. The rest of the world won't accept us with our thermostats being at 72 degrees. What does he mean when he says these thins? It doesn't sound like he wants our economy to thrive to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S m73wOuPL60
by future help
May 22nd, 2008
12:56:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Sm73wOuPL60
No war for oil, saudi or otherwise
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
12:56:16 PM
self reliance, sustainability are the traits of America I am most fond of. Not our ability to squeeze resources out of foreign entities that FUCKING HATE US!
Dreyfus
by dahveed1972
May 22nd, 2008
12:57:18 PM
Hes a good actor and all, but isn't he, um, a Little Person? Cheney's a big guy, and someone who's used his carriage to intimidate at times.
This movie will tank.
by Luscious.868
May 22nd, 2008
12:59:40 PM
Maybe in 10 or 20 years time it would work, but not now. People are tired of Bush. We've been dealing with this idiot for 8 long years. It won't do any better than the Iraq War movies that are out now and for the same reason. We know how much of an incompetent idiot Bush is. If you watch the nightly news or read the paper, you see it each and every day. I'm not about to pay any money to watch a movie about him. Hell, you couldn't get me to sit though it for $100 bucks.
futer help go see the movie "Zeitgeist"
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
12:59:47 PM
ther's some dumb shit in there but for the most part...you will freak out! This shit is intense!
Air cars, huh? What happens if you get in an accident?
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
12:59:56 PM
Sounds like an explosion to me. It doesn't look realstic for long distances at all. Around town, myabe it's a different story. It would be useless for shipping trucks which is what our economy's prices depend on.
i love it when morons talk World War II
by ArcadianDS
May 22nd, 2008
01:01:18 PM
and how this 'war on terror' is just like it, or not just like it. Please: since 9/11, we've deposed two tyrannical regimes and instilled regional self-governing, and foiled more international terror strikes than you can count on two hands.

Im not saying I agree with Bush's politics or not - Im just saying regardless of your own view, try to base it in something that resembles fact, and if you're going to dig up the corpse of World War II, make sure you know what actually happened. Protip: US forces battled militant uprisings for 3 years after Japan signed its surrender papers, and US military forces deployed during World War II continue to be based in and around Germany TO THIS DAY.

Comedy?
by BizarroJerry
May 22nd, 2008
01:02:00 PM
It's funny, but if this movie is in fact a comedy, then it'll be even worse than I thought. Even as a satire, are there any more original ways to mock Bush anymore? What joke hasn't been made, what insult hasn't been hurled? Bush is dumb, Bush is in bed with big oil, Bush thinks God speaks to him, Bush gives people dumb nicknames, Bush was a drunk frat boy. It's all been done. This movie will be a waste of time.

And what's this about Cheney? He shot someone? I HADN'T HEARD. Asswipes...

Coughlin...I believe you love this country...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:04:33 PM
...I hope that you can believe the same from me. I see what America is capable of, yet has never achieved and it makes me SMILE, man. I grew up in New Jersey and moved across country in LA to chase a dream...i KNOW there is no other place in the world with that type of freedome.

That said even IF it's only a mere possibility that within the next 50 years the temperature will rise 10 degrees...furthermore even if it's ONLY a mere POSSIBILITY the the industrial nations of the world have been having a hand in that for over a hundred years...COULD WE FAIL TO ACT!?!?!?! Even if we KNEW the chances were below 5 percent...if we KNEW that actions taken now could EVEN POSSIBILY save the lives of millions and PERHAPS even stop the extinction of hundreds of species...could you fail to act?

And, I NEED TO ASK, is there any biblical influence in your decision making?
Coughlins Laws, compression air cars
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
01:05:46 PM
read about it dipshit. Stop being a moron and read about the

explosion-proof braided fuel storage (plus air is non-combustible duhhh)

and they are just as good for trucks as for consumers. Get some info from someone besides Rush or Billy.

ArcadianDS...I missed your point...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:08:08 PM
Maybe because you didn't have one. I dunno...
I'm Bob Runson ...
by captain_kirk
May 22nd, 2008
01:08:31 PM
And I'm running for Vice President! Great choice!
BTW, i'm in the 70% that don't like him, too, but
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
01:09:39 PM
for different reasons. He ruined what it means to be a Republican. In 2000 he had a Republican Copgress and people believed that the Democrats were the party of out of control spending. By not balancing the bucdget every year, that point is gone for maybe generations. He ceded alot of expensive bills early to democrats to try to be liked by them and it obviously didn't work, (the prescription drug fiasco). Also, by not responding early to calls that we lied to go to war, it allowed a steady drumbeat of people saying that he lied, including people that originally supported the war and saw the same faulty intelligence. Now, way too many people just accept as fact that we lied to go to war. In retrospect, it was definitely the wrong decision, but now we have to deal with things the wya they are. But I think it does everyone a disservice to simply say, "Bush Lied!!"
I think this sounds rad
by mattforce7
May 22nd, 2008
01:11:42 PM
I love Dryfuss and i think he can pull it off
Brians Life
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
01:12:44 PM
You're floating a lot of "what ifs" for the next fifty years. The weather system is so complex that you can't be guaranteed that any action we take will make any difference, if not perhaps make the problem worse. Incidentally, what is the relevance of any possible biblical influence of Coughlin's decision-making?
Jesus will solve global warming
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
01:12:52 PM
I'm walking to lunch, have fun car driving bitches!

by Jack_Of_Spades45
May 22nd, 2008
01:13:51 PM
Richard Dreyfus plays a good asshole. I'm sure he'd be perfect as Cheney.
Bush is NOT a republican....fully agreed.
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:14:28 PM
The thing that, from my point of view, that sucks is that traditional republicans support him due to some limited ignorance. He's churchy...but fiscally he's out of control...and what republicans have EVER been for nation building or pre-emptive intervention!?!?
They are not feasible for long distances, period.
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
01:15:46 PM
As big as they would need to be for long distances is not workable. I love how you believe that everyone who doesn't agree with you is just hearing their shit from someon else. Then you give me a wikiepdia article to read. Do you know who the author is? You can also do a test at home about air pressure. Put an aerosol can in the oven. Or shoot a beebee gun at one.
To all the idiots bitching about gas prices.
by Luscious.868
May 22nd, 2008
01:16:56 PM

Oil companies are in the game to make a profit. Don't like it? Use less gas. I just bought a house a mile from where I work and I traded in my gas guzzling SUV three years ago and now drive a smaller, much more fuel efficient vehicle. Gas could double in price and it would have zero effect on me. You are responsible for the fact that you drive a gas guzzling SUV and that you live an hour away from where you work. Oil companies didn't make those decisions. You did because oil was cheap.

Oil prices will never be what they were. Rising demand in India and China will only increase as their economies grow and we are running out of places to drill for cheap oil. Due to high taxes, Europeans and Canadians have been living with gas this expensive for 10 plus years. Stop your bitching and whining and put the blame where it belongs. On you for being a fucking idiot and making yourself so dependent on cheap gas.

Ditch your hummer and buy a small fuel efficient vehicle and sell you McMansion an hour from where you work and move no further than 15 or 20 minutes away from your place of employment. You will save a shit load of cash, add an extra hour or two of free time to your schedule, help the environment and stick it to the oil companies all at the same time. But why do something that inconveniences you and actually solves the problem when you can do nothing and blame it on others and/or cry to the government to get involved? Americans went from a self sufficient, can do population to a can't do anything but complain and ask the government for help population in 3 generations. Life is so much easier for people today compared to 100 years ago and all you people bitch like it's the end of the world when something fucking stupid like gas prices increases. Thank fucking God that you even have a car in the first place. Billions of people went their entire lives without them. You'll live. Pussies.

Bismarck...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:18:25 PM
I agree that was not my best argument, friend. Although, it was in the context of attempting to get some one to admit it was a possibility. Hence the enhanced plausibility of it all.

The relevance of biblical influence is simple...there are those sects that believe that environmental destruction is a necessity for the Rapture. OR conversely there are those that believe that man is incapable of changing the Earth. OR there are those that think climate change is God's punishment.
Lucious...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:20:58 PM
What about the farmer that requires a fixed amount of gas everyday!?! What about the millions of deisel trucks on America's highways and bi-ways that are the backbone of our economy? Do we just tell Joe Trucker to move closer to his next drop off?!?!?
I agree that there are sects that believe weird things
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
01:22:22 PM
but I'd propose that there was a sect that followed Erlich's "preachings" back in the day... and perhaps they still do. Conversely, while I believe that we should move to cleaner solutions than oil, I also believe that the whole "green" concept has become a religious movement.
It's funny how you're asking me if I'm making a biblical
by Coughlins Laws
May 22nd, 2008
01:22:25 PM
decision on Global Warming because it seems to me you take what AlGore says on faith. You don't need proof, you take as Gospel what will happen in 50 to 100 years form AlGore. Look what AlGore's mentor was saying 40 years ago and his outlandish predictions are WAY off!!! Not even close!!! But they'll be right for the next 50 years, right? Ted Danson, when he was on Cheers, was all about saving the oceans. He said in an interview, I'm sure it's gotta be on youtube somewhere, that "we have 10 years to save the oceans" That was 20 some years ago. I guess they must be saved. I also remember they told Columbus he was gonna sail off the side of the ocean.
Couglin...I'm not an Al gore zombie...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:24:01 PM
More...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:24:53 PM
...I don't even recycle, dude!
Inspired casting but the movie will suck
by Proman1984
May 22nd, 2008
01:26:28 PM
Just like Dubya? By the way, what does this have to do with Indy 4?
Dammit, Coughlin....
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:27:50 PM
Just when I thought we were getting somewhere.

You're right, I don't need proof. I need evidence. I take the evidence that surrounds me and I come up with the BEST possibly explanation that everything i have tells me at that time.

You can further use this strange idea to explain all the inaccuracies you've been preaching about.

I mean, I can understand why Christians have a tough time accepting Global warming. It flies in the face of what they accept as doctrine...
TED DASON!?!?!
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:28:49 PM
We are trying to have a serious conversation here and you toss in Ted Danson's ocean obsession!?! Now, I have to accept that you are simply trying to make me laugh.
Hammy acting reflects bias
by Sword of Damocles
May 22nd, 2008
01:30:07 PM
I've got no love for Cheney, but I have to say that I've seen ol' Hooper do a "portrayal" of Alexander Haig on the History Channel, and he played him like Ming the merciless with the hammy evil laughing. So much for historical accuracy. Dreyfuss sux, but oh, wait! so does Stone!
And also...no one told Columbus...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:30:22 PM
...that he was gonna sail off the side of the world. At that point, most educated men knew the world was round.
electric cars
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
01:30:40 PM
will make their own electricity, just as the hybrids power up their own batteries. there is a huge possibility of then we'll plug them into our houses, stay with me here, and our houses will pull power from our cars.

no shit.

CHUCKMC
by BurgerTime
May 22nd, 2008
01:31:42 PM
Asking Canada to open up the spigots isn't actually possible, since nearly all of Canada's oil reserves reside in tar sands. The process for extracting usible oil from tar sands is quite different than simply pumping it out of the ground like the Saudi's do. It's very labour and resource intensive, not to mention much more expensive. So Canada, over time, will probably ramp up production, but it will essentially plateau at a certain point due to the inefficiency of the process.

The era of cheap oil is nearly coming to an end, and the only way we'll be able to offset the rising costs will be to begin switching to alternative fuels or power sources.

Bimark...the problem with that comparison
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:33:05 PM
...climate change is quantifiable. We can make observations and experimentation. I agree that there are just as many secular people "looking for answers" and they even tend to smack of the pulpit a bit. However, science is constantly changing...that's the beauty of it, not the flaw.
this MEANS something!
by TheBaxter
May 22nd, 2008
01:33:24 PM
namely, that this film will STILL be stupid and pointless.
Brians Life
by Luscious.868
May 22nd, 2008
01:34:35 PM
There's nothing that can be done about that until alternative fuels are mainstream. We'll have to deal with higher prices for goods. Guess what, if you ditch the McMansion and the gas guzzler you'll pay less for your mortgage and you'll save a shitload in gas, you can then use your savings to offset the higher prices.
Can Ash be in this?
by spectrebeeyatch
May 22nd, 2008
01:36:08 PM
And beat the shit out of all of them at the end? I really hate the administration I don't blame them for everything but they are evil mother fuckers. Also all you blind supporters who are trying to call everyone out even Obama supporters I have one question for you: If you are such a believer why are you not fighting in Bush's war? If you support him so much shouldn't you join up and fight the good fight over there? Because if not you're full of shit because you say all these things through a talk back but you don't have the balls to join up and fight your presidents just war. Pussies. Also who ever said gas prices will never be the same you were right on! It is on our backs to change our life styles, don't drive SUV's and move closer to work.
Fucking Perfect
by PotSmokinAlien
May 22nd, 2008
01:36:26 PM
Elizabeth Banks is really the only major WTF choice in this so far... this thing ain't gonna be the orgiastic conspiracy bonanza it ought to be, but I'm still real interested.
Brians Life
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
01:36:39 PM
You're painting most (if not all) Christians with an awfully big brush. I know many Christians who dispute global warming not on religious bounds but because of scientific ones. (cf 31,000 scientists)
the issue of gas prices
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
01:38:31 PM
is all about supply and demand, as a few folks have mentioned. if we didn't consume like, one third of the worlds fossil fuels, we wouldn't be in the state we're in. we should have been looking into alternative long long ago. like, circa 1975.

but we weren't, we were shortsighted and reactionary, so we need to deal with it now.

Lucious...dude...we agree.
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:39:55 PM
I agree that high gas prices are here for good...sorry, HIGHER and HIGHER.

I just think that calling people pussies for bitching about high gas isn't really fair. I mean Johnny Tobacco Farmer isn't living in a McMansion, yet there is this liquid that runs all his toys. He NEEDS that liquid until some one comes along iwht another liquid.

I think that the relative inexpense of gas in this country is the only thing keeping alot of people from just losing their fucking minds.

Americans only want three things: cold beer, cheap gas, and a place to shit with a door on it.
Luscious.868
by just pillow talk
May 22nd, 2008
01:41:17 PM
You are assuming that everyone has a McMansion and a gas guzzler. I most assuredly do not.

However, I work in a town that is filled with millionaires, and I can tell you that they are not affected by this increase in gas (from what I can see based upon what they are driving). The gas stations in this town have always been $0.30 - 0.40 more a gallon than the surrounding towns, so they could care less how big their car is or how high gas goes. There's a freak'n hummer dealership right across the street from where I work, though it seems those sales have dropped significantly recently.

shoulda cast john stewart as cheney
by bacci40
May 22nd, 2008
01:42:03 PM
he does the best impression of that evil bastard
As much as I hate to say it
by Hawaiian Organ Donor
May 22nd, 2008
01:42:56 PM
High gas prices are good. I don't want those ball washing bastards at the oil companies making more profits (watching those guys testify yesterday made my stomach turn), but the U.S., China and India need a reality check. People in this country are STILL buying SUVs and the government has set fuel efficiency caps so far in the future it's laughable.

No permanent change comes without suffering and sacrifice and that's what it's going to take to knock some sense into Americans and Chinese.

With regard to the refineries, I read somewhere recently that efficiency upgrades are being performed on our existing refineries to the point where their output is being improved enough that is it the equivalent on building a new refinery every year. So near as I can tell our output isn't the problem, its' that our consumption is WAY TOO GODDAMN MUCH, us and the Chinese and the Indians.

And stop complaining about not being allowed to drill in Alaska. Just trade in the Hummer. Cut down the dependence.

Bismark...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:46:20 PM
I also know many Christians that dispute global warming on scientific grounds. I also know many that fully accept Global Warming. And those that refuse to accept that it's real. Cool that we're in the same club, huh?

That SAID, I am an atheist that finds the idea that Christianity has endured as long as it has laughable (hah...see?).
Gatsbys West Egg Omlet...nice revisionist bullshit
by bacci40
May 22nd, 2008
01:46:25 PM
carter passed through an energy policy, that had it not been gutted by both reagan and bush 1, wouldve indeed weened us off of fossil fuels...and the current cost of fuel has nothing to do with supply and demand, and everything to do with a weak dollar and speculators....
Alright, enough of this gay banter...
by Brians Life
May 22nd, 2008
01:52:33 PM
...gotta go get caffeinated and try to get some fuckin' work done. Good luck changin' the world, fellas. Peace.
so scrap the SUVs.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
01:55:55 PM
everyone saw how well the SmartCar did in crash tests. the (illusion of) safety issue isn't an excuse any more. buy a smaller car, or drive less, or both.
Should've been James Earl Jones in whiteface!
by blackmantis
May 22nd, 2008
01:56:26 PM
You're an ATHEIST?!?
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
01:56:47 PM
Hell, I couldn't tell! ;)
Dreyfuss
by fassbinder79
May 22nd, 2008
02:07:38 PM
If any of you doubt Dreyfuss playing Cheney check out a film called The Day Reagan Was Shot. He was brilliant playing Haig in that film. Stone produced that I believe. Very excited to hear about this casting news. This might turn out strong after all.
bacci40
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
02:15:20 PM
a) i'm not sure how i'm a revisionist. because i mentioned 1975? because i wasn't alive for Carter's presidency?

b)i know the weak dollar has to have a lot to do with it, but that doesn't change the fact that we are using more oil than we should, and fighting wars over it that we have no business fighting, and diverting tons of funds away from where it should be: reducing consumption.

its pointless to argue over who is the bad guy in this whole oil mess. fact is we've got a fucking mess to deal with. we should be dealing with it, not holding on to an archaic lifestyle that will soon go the way of the dinosaurs (oil pun).

As long as he doesnt laugh. RD sounds like a girl on crank when
by Knobules
May 22nd, 2008
02:16:20 PM
For playing Cheney that probably wont be an issue. He also might want to have his neck removed.
I would like everyone to reduce the amount of oil ...
by Shan
May 22nd, 2008
02:16:29 PM
... being burned for fuel and replaced with alternatives where possible. Because we also need the oil to make plastics out of. That's not too contentious a statement to make, is it?
if Carter had an answer,
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
02:17:18 PM
thats fantastic. its a damn shame it didn't stick.
WeinerPenis
by codymr
May 22nd, 2008
02:19:18 PM
Have to agree with you chap.
You (US) pays $4 a gallon, we (Australia) pay ...
by Shan
May 22nd, 2008
02:21:15 PM
... $6 US a gallon or more, in the UK it's probably closer to $10 US a gallon. I wonder how much higher the US price can get without major disruption in people's lives?
i agree, Shan.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
02:23:17 PM
imagine what will happen when the computer industry is hit with a petroleum shortage. lots of iPod components could be made with a years worth of oil.
this is all really touching but
by Richard Richard Mayhew
May 22nd, 2008
02:33:09 PM
That all of you are applying the same "every person has a valid opinion" ethic that works on an entertainment talkback to conversations revolving around ECONOMICS and POLITICS. Frankly, though it may seem superficial on my part, I refuse to take any serious advice or take seriously the opinion of people named "WeinerPenis," "GatsbysWestEggOmlet" (though this one does point toward a higher education of some sort,)or "Luscious.868."
Chinese owned corps drilling for oil 50 miles off Florida
by Darth_Inedible
May 22nd, 2008
02:34:38 PM
And that oil goes straight to China to be sold at far, far below market value while we're not allowed to touch any of the oil on our side of the border. China is also buying whole fields in Africa with the goal of creating a market-proof supply while we cower as Chavez nationalizes Exxon's operation in Venezuela.
Dick Cheney is pure evil...
by BadWaldo s Revenge
May 22nd, 2008
02:39:00 PM
So evil it humbles Emperor Palpatine. Treason's best friend. Hope Mr Holland doesn't ham it up, just play it straight and win a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for portraying one of the most villainous American government officers in U.S. History.
This is hilarious casting
by Razorback
May 22nd, 2008
02:41:43 PM
The biggest liberal cry babies are going to portray everyone in the Bush administration. I think a Michael Moore movie is less biased than this one will be.
blackmantis, or at least have JEJ do the voiceover
by poeticwarriorIII
May 22nd, 2008
02:44:24 PM
Darth_Inedible, Can you get a link to that info?
by poeticwarriorIII
May 22nd, 2008
02:46:09 PM
That shit is unbelievable although it's probably true.
welcome back pathetic warrior
by g-ride9000
May 22nd, 2008
02:50:53 PM
you ready for some more of my pudding?
For some reason my brain blanked out and I thought they had cast
by Neosamurai85
May 22nd, 2008
02:56:13 PM
THAT would be an evil performance. That said, this is yet another smart casting choice. Dick is all about the cold frankness of his plane speech. I could see Dreyfuss pulling that off, and they do sound similar when Dreyfuss speaks softly. I mean... shit. I might actually have to sit through this movie. The casting is just too interesting.
Hmmmm
by Series7
May 22nd, 2008
02:57:53 PM
Dryfuss could be interesting. Though his voice is very nasal AICN TB'er sounding.
poeticwarriorIII
by bismarckf
May 22nd, 2008
02:59:09 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5yz6wq. You could argue the slant of something called "heartland.org" but it references an item in the Orlando Sun-Sentinel
Outside of the politics...
by ed2ward
May 22nd, 2008
03:00:21 PM
I'm just enjoying the fact that Peter David suggested this bit of casting in an open letter to Oliver Stone on his blog a little over a week ago. http://www.peterdavid.net/
ginrei724 and Coughlins Laws are right on the money...
by waitingimpatientlyforingloriousb astards
May 22nd, 2008
03:00:51 PM
and Brians Life, could you be any more of a sterotypical obnoxious liberal?
Isn't cheney a big guy? He's gotta be 6'2 at least
by Tarl_Cabot
May 22nd, 2008
03:01:43 PM
Dryfuss is not a big guy. This cast is absurd save for Brolin.
WTF? Is lost not on tonight?
by GQtaste
May 22nd, 2008
03:04:23 PM
I looked for the new talkback and checked the local listing and saw that that chick show is on for two hours. Man, I was really looking foward tonight for Lost.
Who plays Victor Ashe, W's gay lover?
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:11:51 PM
I'm thinking one of the Wayans.
GQtaste
by Sithdan
May 22nd, 2008
03:12:03 PM
 Nope, ABC's airing its two-hour season finale of that crappy Grey's Anatomy show instead. The best show on television returns for its season finale next Thursday night.
Dreyfuss, Tinman version of Cheney?
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:13:23 PM
He must have been practicing with his Tinman role.
Shan, Gallon or Liter?
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:15:20 PM
Liter is larger than a gallon.
so a thin effeminate man
by smackfu
May 22nd, 2008
03:15:37 PM
is set to play an intense intimidating man with a giant head?
Coughlins Laws, Meds baby meds.
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:17:48 PM
dude read up we are so fucked.

Spend some time at Whatreallyhappenned, Rense.com, Counterpunch, Dissident Voice and StopmebeforeIvoteagain. Get some REAL perspective instead of the single party hash you spewed above.

smackfu, Yes. Cheney has an ENORMOUS head.
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:18:50 PM
Big head. Very little brain.
Ellen for Dicks gay daughter.
by EvilWizardGlick
May 22nd, 2008
03:19:27 PM
Really who gets cast as the gay daughter?
Richard Richard Mayhew
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
May 22nd, 2008
03:22:13 PM
of course you won't take anything on here seriously. neither will anyone else. no opinions will change, and thats the way we want it. this isn't a place to persuade or reason or even argue.

this is a place to bitch. and then bitch at other people who bitch about what we bitch about. and chances are, those bitches don't know half as much about what they say they know about as we know about the shit we say we know about, which usually isn't half as much as we say we do.

got it?

Anti-Bush Movies
by GlamDaToeHammer
May 22nd, 2008
03:28:39 PM
They will only go so far.. people ultimately would rather see a real movie this time around.. it's getting old the whole power/oil monger conspiracy crap.
imperial ruler cheney gives this movie
by alice 13
May 22nd, 2008
03:32:48 PM
0 shotgun shells.
Richard Dreyfuss actually is a TOTAL DICK
by maxbrown
May 22nd, 2008
03:40:34 PM
I have a friend who went to the high school where Mr. Holland's Opus was filmed. There's an anecdote from on set in which Dreyfuss is smoking in one of the classrooms. When asked politely by the principle to smoke outside, Dreyfuss casually extinguishes his cigarette in her coffee cup. Richard Dreyfuss sounds absolutely perfect for this role.
What happened to Shrub "jawboning OPEC"
by Dingbatty
May 22nd, 2008
03:46:30 PM
Guess he was too busy holding hands with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah (shameful for our President to hold hands with a monarch).
Dick Cheney puts his pants on like the rest of us
by Flip63Hole
May 22nd, 2008
03:58:15 PM
One leg at a time. Only, when his pants are on, he shoots some motherfucker in the face with a shotgun. By accident!
You must be this tall to ride this ride...
by RetroActive
May 22nd, 2008
03:58:44 PM
Dreyfuss is a midget, for crying out loud! That auomatically disqualifies him from being or pretending to be an executive on any level!
WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!
by BringingSexyBack
May 22nd, 2008
04:07:31 PM
That is all.
Stone seems way too busy...
by Kragmose
May 22nd, 2008
04:09:36 PM
I thought he was retired?

He should.

Will he method act and have his soul removed?
by TheAFLACDuck
May 22nd, 2008
04:18:00 PM
Just askin'.
Burger Time
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
04:23:37 PM
That is my point exactly, made in a round about way. Asking oil producing nations to "ramp up" production on a finite resource so that America can have cheap gasoline is pointless. BTW, I have worked for energy companies involved in the Oil Sands in Fort Mac. There is potentially much more oil there than in all of Saudi Arabia and the province of Alberta is sitting pretty.
CAN'T WAIT!!!
by ccchhhrrriiisssm
May 22nd, 2008
04:25:45 PM
This film by a bunch of hyper-liberal panty wastes will be just the type of OCTOBER SURPRISE that Dan Rather provided in 2004!!!

When the voting electorate shows just how HATEFUL and VINDICTIVE the Hollywood supporters of the left wing are -- that they would even try to REWRITE HISTORY -- they are certain to reject the object of their affection, for which they have been attached and humping the leg of Barack Hussein Obama like a male dog in heat!

Obama was already going to lose. Now it looks like he will lose with even greater indignity! Thank God!

Have a great day!
Saudi and Oil Price
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
04:27:05 PM
OK WeinerPenis, post your numbers to prove that "no one influences the price of oil more than the Saudis". You are talking out of ass, in your usual belligerent manner. The Saudis have no more or less influence on the price of oil than most other oil producing countries.
I Wonder...
by MarkWhittington
May 22nd, 2008
04:34:14 PM
If there will be a scene of Cheney sacrificing babies to the Dark Ones. Or maybe drinking the blood of a liberal.
Oil Sands
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
04:35:22 PM
Another point that oil production in Fort Mac is very labor intensive, but at a cost of 9 to 12 dollars a barrel to produce but selling for over $100, it is not expensive to produce. Also you cannot say the Canadian economy is brittle, it is certainly weathering the current global slowdown much better than the US. The Michigan governor has been complaining about all the manufacturing jobs they have lost to Ontario because the big 3 do not have to pay for health care in Canada.
He played Karl Rove in that mess of
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
04:37:08 PM
a movie from John Sayles, i think it was sayles. Having watched Rory Bremner, I think Ken Morley should play cheney. Morley played Reg in Coronation Street. Looks like Cheney.
Props to Peter David!
by Steve Rogers
May 22nd, 2008
04:38:57 PM
He called this on his blog just recently! Nice one, PAD.
I think there should be a rule
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
04:41:22 PM
to prevent Dynastic politics in the USA. You have bush followed by the clintons, followed by bush. It has to stop.
There will be nothing to stop
by emeraldboy
May 22nd, 2008
04:47:34 PM
Chelsea Clinton running for High office. Depends who wins in november. But if the republicans do. Hillary will hand over the democratic party to her daughter. Chelsea for president. It would be hillary's way of getting revenge on the party. Michelle obama will hand the election to the republicans. that will happen on convention day. Republicans will say afterwards do you really want this woman as first lady?
Oil Wells
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
04:51:12 PM
Also, the notion that you can just "turn up the spigot" on an oil well is just plain false. It takes allot of engineering just to get oil out of the ground (typically you only get about 1/3 of the oil that is there out of a trap), costs about a million dollars a hole to put in another well, which may be a net zero increase of production if it is on the same reserve. No matter if we are talking about oil sands, land or marine oil it is not a simple matter to increase production.
better casting
by Spazatronic 2000
May 22nd, 2008
04:52:39 PM
would have been the Shit Demon.
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
May 22nd, 2008
04:55:17 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
this is how brainwashed you all are by the media
by Spazatronic 2000
May 22nd, 2008
05:00:25 PM
the oil companies aren't really responsible for the recent surge in prices. Check the value of the dollar, the Federal Reserve and their bank cartel homies gutted it so it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of gas. Make sense? k good now that were on the same page, stop watching CNN and think for yourself.
Sithdan & "economic ruin" etc.
by jorson28
May 22nd, 2008
05:06:47 PM
What would you have them do? Regulate (further) the oil industry? Give me a break - I doubt even the Democrats would be that audacious. Besides, you say the country is in economic ruin and I say most Americans don't know what real economic ruin is. As bad as Bush has been as a President ina lot of ways (lowering taxes and then going to war = dumb idea), you couldn't make the Democrats' socialist "solutions" for the economy and healthcare work unless you they had time to settle in and work out their kinks, time for the country to adjust. That means having a Democratic Executive and Legisltative branch to guide them for at least eight to twelve years (like FDR), and then if you tried to expand those programs you'd turn the U.S. into the former Soviet Union - a big country where virtually everyone but the government is lower-middle-class or poverty-level. Personally, I couldn't stand the idea of universal healthcare coverage because it's essentially Medicare on a nationwide scale. That program (along with Social Security) is practically busted right now and even the politicians agree that you'd practically have to FORCE everyone to submit to government coverage for it to really work. It would make every hospital in the country look like the worst, most overcrowded emergency room in any ghetto, treating patients as they come because everyone's got the same insurance. People with more urgent needs would likely die waiting before they got the surgeries they needed. In Canada, you already have some people waiting up to a year or more for basic heart surgeries. In any case, if "Dubya" is too vulgar and satiric, Stone will have shot his own party in the foot. As much money as Michael Moore's 2004 documentary film "Fahrenheit 911" made, guess who won re-election? You think those tactics do any good at all? I doubt many voters liked the idea of the biggest mouthpiece for the Democratic party being someone like that, barely caring about how accurate he is and leading the slacker uprising. In other words, who wants to vote for a party that mostly represents slackers? The more outrageous, vulgar and mean spirited the criticism of the Republicans, the more harm is done to the Democratic party's chances of getting into office. Of course, barely anyone here is going to believe me, and if there's any response to this post it's probably going to be some childish string of vulgar insults and name calling with a few "facts" sprinkled in to prove me wrong. Go ahead - support Stone's and others' actions and see if it accomplishes anything.
Regulation of Oil Industry
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
05:18:11 PM
Regulation of the oil industry does not work, they tried it in Canada in the 1970s (called the Nation Energy Program) and had to quickly kill it because it was a big disaster. Now to turn this talk back into a debate about health care! The best thing the US can do to control health care costs is to have the government take control of the health care insurance industry. This is what they did in Canada in the 1960s. Not perfect, but Canadians live 3 years longer than Americans and morbidity rates are statistically identical for all major diseases between Canada and the US. Yes wait times are an issue, but that is because resources are allocated based on need, not ability to pay. My cousin's husband in Vancouver waited 6 weeks for his heart bypass surgery this year, and he was deemed "low risk". If he was deemed higher risk, he would of got in faster. And his heart surgeon went to med school at Yale.
Correction
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
05:22:07 PM
That is morbidity rates for patients in the health care system. Those Americans who cannot afford health care treatment are, as the French say, FUCKED.
He tried once,
by roojdeko
May 22nd, 2008
05:28:25 PM
... doesn´t anyone remember he gave politics a shot in "American President" as Michael Douglas' nemesis in that picture. Not extraordinary work, but it was a start.
This is a 'Hate' Movie
by CrazyGnome
May 22nd, 2008
05:49:28 PM
We have important issues this country needs to work through. Can't wait to get started with Obama. Spending energy hating someone that will be judged harshly by history seems like a waste of our time. I should start a group to help drive our country to focus on important issues... I will call it "Move on" or some such.
chuckmc Health Care?
by Craig2574
May 22nd, 2008
06:10:22 PM
You think your HMO is bad wait till the government gets it hands on our health care. It will make your HMO look wonderful!
wouldn't Dreyfuss be perfect for the role of...
by thomasjarvis
May 22nd, 2008
06:11:58 PM
John McCain?! Seriously, picture the classic Dreyfuss sarcasm and patented sneer, that snow white hair, that quiet and self-assured yet no-nonsence tough as nails tone of voice...Dreyfuss for the starring role in Oliver Stone's McFilthy!!
Just another flop in the making. Seriously..
by Cotton McKnight
May 22nd, 2008
06:20:19 PM
who backs these projects? Even when they are supposedly good (like that MTV movie a few months ago- stop loss or something), nobody sees it. We just aren't in the mood as a country. I am speaking purely in terms of box office. It's just ridiculous. I say this movie makes 10 -15 million, tops. As far as casting goes, why not just get that stupid President from The Day After Tomorrow? The guy that "apologized" to the rest of the world.
I swear I am not making a racist remark.
by Cotton McKnight
May 22nd, 2008
06:24:13 PM
Yeah I am white, but the love of my life was an african american girl. So I SWEAR I am not trying to start something here. But it has to be said: Michelle Obama looks like Zira from planet of the apes. She really does. They even have the same hairstyle!
HMO's
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
06:24:31 PM
I don't have an HMO, they are for suckers. What is worse than a HMO, is NOT HAVING ANY HEALTH CARE AT ALL. Given that the US has a lower life expectancy than Canada and most of Europe, the US health care system does not do a very good job on average for its citizens relative to the rest of the first world nations.
WeinerPenis
by chuckmc
May 22nd, 2008
06:30:14 PM
Are you done talking out of your ass? Good. Go sell your SUV and buy a smart car, or win a lottery. Your choice.
June, July, August, September, October
by SnootyBoots
May 22nd, 2008
07:04:22 PM
Is this movie really going to be in theatres in 5 months?
good casting-that's all...
by shane420nsf
May 22nd, 2008
07:34:43 PM
I actually thought watching Dreyfuss recently on the Jaws DVD bonus features that he looked just like ole Dick-can't