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Batman RIP
by Whitemouse
Aug 20th, 2008
08:10:55 AM
this stuff is interesting but it's building up slow...too slow...I'm almost tempted to drop the books and wait for the collected graphic novel...which is unlike me (cause I'm following Final/infinate/complete/meltdo wn/independant Crisis through all the one shot books and stuff and enjoying it...am I ill?)
New Universe
by brassai2003
Aug 20th, 2008
08:12:00 AM
can you guys post a link to parts 1 &2?
Booster Gold
by Whitemouse
Aug 20th, 2008
08:14:00 AM
Will Booster suffer when Dixon's run, er, runs out? like Robin did?
THE NEW UNIVERSE
by fiester
Aug 20th, 2008
08:14:16 AM
I have a lot of those old books. Seems like a rather ridiculous idea now, probably done as a response to Image Comics, Dark Horse, the rise of the indies, etc., but THE NEW UNIVERSE was about as successful as New Coke.
Astonishing X-Men
by Pogue__Mahone
Aug 20th, 2008
08:22:00 AM
As much as I adore Whedon (And I do!) I have to say that this new team on 'Astonishing' is pretty much kicking my ass six ways to Sunday! Whedon was dessert. Delicious and fun. Ellis is a fine, six course gourmet repast. Kudos to all involved!
Angel ATF Artwork
by meCPS
Aug 20th, 2008
08:30:44 AM
"Muddled" is not strong enough a word for the artwork currently on display in this book. How can you take one of Angel's hottest supporting characters (Gwen Raden) and make her look like she has Down's Syndrome?
The NEW New Universe books are sweet
by StrokerX
Aug 20th, 2008
08:35:48 AM
And i agree about the batman arc being slooowwww....i was like..this is Morrison..i'm supposed to love this...hurry up!
"the quality of this book makes me realize that I need to be cov
by O_Goncho
Aug 20th, 2008
08:54:56 AM
I support this notion. More 2000ad!
...ering more"
by O_Goncho
Aug 20th, 2008
08:55:25 AM
Yes.
New Universe
by steverodgers
Aug 20th, 2008
08:59:15 AM
Am I the only one that has a soft spot for Kickers Inc. and Merc? They don't make comics like that anymore...
Never got the appeal of Beta Ray Bill.
by cookylamoo
Aug 20th, 2008
09:07:30 AM
Thor as a skeletal horse? What was Simonson smokin'? And yet, here is, years later, an integral part of the Thor mythos. Why? Is he cool?
Personally, I was a DP7 fan myself.
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
09:22:01 AM
I could not get ENOUGH of that book.

Mmmmm....Lenore. (She was a Latin teacher with a great body...what more could I have wanted at 15? Besides a life, I mean.)
New Universe was WAAAAAAY before Image.
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
09:23:38 AM
like five years...
New Universe began in 1986 - Image began in 1992
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
09:34:52 AM
For the record.
Not sure where to post this...
by PotSmokinAlien
Aug 20th, 2008
09:39:18 AM
But I guess here's as good a place as any:

Did Harry shave his beard off??

Not sure where to post this 2...
by Kid Z
Aug 20th, 2008
09:40:19 AM
...Why does Harry have Brock Samson's hairstyle?
Batman RIP
by mattb127
Aug 20th, 2008
09:43:57 AM
I was real interested at first, especially with the nod to one of my favorite SA stories, "Robin Dies at Dawn." I like the club of Batmen and all, but um, Jezebel Jet? Are you serious with that? THe Batman of Zur-En-Ah is okay, and I like the nod to the Rainbow Batman, but, um, this could've been done in two or three issues. Not his best work.
DP7
by steverodgers
Aug 20th, 2008
09:46:02 AM
could never get into that one... might have been just a matter of where to spend my 12 year old dollar. I'll rustle through a quarter bin next time i see one, and give it another shot.
Batman RIP just got very, very good
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
09:50:14 AM
A Miracle on Crime Alley... Batman created a secret self to take over if he ever suffered a psychological attack... "I'm what you get when you take Bruce out of the equation"... Dr. Hurt's revelation (I think it's true)... action, action, action
Thanks for deleting my posts you cowardly cocksuckers
by Bill Brasky
Aug 20th, 2008
10:10:15 AM
...and fuck you too!
...
by blackthought
Aug 20th, 2008
10:23:44 AM
and here we go...
Yep, New Universe predates Image.
by rev_skarekroe
Aug 20th, 2008
10:31:54 AM
Dark Horse was around at the time, IIRC, but it was publishing stuff like Concrete and Boris the Bear. I guess you could say that it was Jim Shooter's response to Watchmen - a superheroes in the "real world" thing. It was definitely a marketing ploy - Marvel hyped it at the time as the biggest thing since 1963, and that the first issues of all these books would be worth as much as FF#1, AF#15, etc.

Turns out, not so much.

BTW, I read Warren Ellis' novel.
by rev_skarekroe
Aug 20th, 2008
10:33:44 AM
Not the greatest thing ever, but as tours of "real" perversity in a fictional setting goes, I preferred it to Pahlaniuk. I do hope Ellis does something different than the "cynical guy and alterna-chick have an adventure" schtick for his next book. He's been using that bit for ages.
"Cynical guy and alterna-chick"
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
10:49:32 AM
Did you just describe DR. SLEEPLESS?
Ellis killed Astonishing
by Futureman2681
Aug 20th, 2008
10:55:37 AM
Whedon's run will go down as one of the greatest X-Men stories ever told. Ellis' dialogue reads like a badly acted soap opera full of stereotypes. It reminds me of old school comic dialogue like old Claremont...and not in a good way. Thank goodness I still have Brubaker bringing a great Uncanny book every month.
one more ennis punisher series to come
by palewook
Aug 20th, 2008
11:01:15 AM
6 issue story called punisher war zone. starts in nov comes out weekly. he wrote the story 3 years back. but its a tie in for the movie.
The criticisms about Trinity annoy me.
by AnakinsDiapers
Aug 20th, 2008
11:03:48 AM
Every time Marvel and DC produce an "event" comic all i ever hear is "why are they subjecting us to this constant stream of overhyped fluff". "Why can't they just tell good stories for a while". "Why is forced to change his plans to fit this event?" Now, when Busiek comes out with Trinity and just want's to write good comics, people start complaining when they aren't getting "shock moment" of the week, when they aren't getting "armchair theater". Trinity is a comic Jinxo, not an event. While you are waiting impatiently for the "everything you thought you knew was wrong" moment you are overlooking just regular old good storytelling. And i don't care what anybody says, Sun chained in ink is just a bad-ass character.
Nice insight on the X-Men
by Snookeroo
Aug 20th, 2008
11:04:35 AM
The essence of comic titles are different personalities -- if everyone is a copy of Batman (and far too many are), it gets really boring out there. And, more importantly, the heroes should be distinguishable from the bad guys. If the good guys are all angst-ridden violence craving near-lunatics, what's the point?

Too much of one shade spoils the creation. Take the first Batman movie as a for-instance: Gotham City "looks like hell threw up", the Joker is weird, the supporting characters are weird, everything is dark and exaggerated -- there is no link to the real world. And so Batman just blends in -- he doesn't stand out at all. There is no contrast. And so Batman just becomes another weirdo in a cast of weirdos. Of course, the first Batman movie's problems were legion, and I don't want to get into a movie discussion, just using that as a common reference -- but the principle is the same.

Rich, defined, individualized characters make up for thin writing; however when the opposite is true, the result tends to be a Jean Claude Van Damme episode.
I loved Starbrand
by superhero
Aug 20th, 2008
11:05:18 AM
Starbrand was great for me from beginning to end. Talk about superhero fantasy gone wrong! I just blew up Pittsburg! As a fan of superheroes and apocalypse sci-fi it was perfect for me. The rest of the New Universe, however, was crap. Peeeee-yuuuwwwww!
I was very underwhelmed by Crooked Little Vein
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
11:06:30 AM
I expected more from Ellis than just a mish-mash of unused tales from Transmetropolitan. The attempts at "shock value" was so lame and put upon, like he was just hodge-podgey different ideas together hoping to make it as weird as possible, but shit man... this is the days of the internet, you're NOT going to come up with a shocking sex act anymore. "Oh, people jerking off with Godzilla gloves? yawn... I saw a pic of a lady dressed like rainbow bright blowing a donkey the other day, big whop."

I hope the next one is better.

And while my own personal jury is still out on Ellis's Astonishing, it is hands down waaaaaaaaay better than bad Claremont.
Atomic Robo Is The Antidote To Mainstream Crap!
by CellarDweller
Aug 20th, 2008
11:09:13 AM
Decent Robo review. Wished you had given "props" to his creators Brian Clevenger and Scott Wegener (who did a few awesome issue of Punisher War Journal not long ago.) Robo is a return to the wacky adventure serial feel of movies a lot of us loved as kids: Indiana Jones, Star Wars, etc. (before Lucas turned it to shit,) there is a bit of a Hellboy influence but not so much that anyone has the right to declare, "rip off!" If you're tired of dudes in capes doing the same old shit drawn in the flavor of the month style, give this book a look (if you can find it--it's ALWAYS sold out.) Try Heavyink.com (free shipping!)to order it or pre-order by calling your local comic shop. By the way, Atomic Robo was nominated for 2 Eisner Awards this year (didn't win unfortunately,) which is damned impressive for a new book and publisher (Red5.) In the interest of full disclosure, I'm former roommates with the artist Scott, but being a fellow illustrator and soon-to-be comic atist myself, I'd have no problem pointing out this books flaws if it had ones that were substantial. So put your cries of, "plant!" back in your pants boys and girls. I'm just here to support a superior book created by a couple a great guys (one of whom I just happend to live with over 15 years ago.) The Robo trade paperback is also available now if you missed the first series when it initially came out. Go get yourself some Robo now and remember what you used to love about comics and adventure movies: They were FUN!
The New Universe
by Sir Not
Aug 20th, 2008
11:16:15 AM
Started in 86, a year before Concrete hit. In fact it was the very same year that Dark Horse came into existance. As I remember it, the New U was a means of bringing new people into comics by starting over without being bogged down by 20+ years of continuity. The problem was that Spider-Man is an icon and PsiForce isn't. They learned their less on though and their next attempt at a new universe free of baggage worked much better (The Ultimates).
Ellis can switch voices on a dime?
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
11:38:39 AM
News to me. Every Ellis character I've ever read speaks in the exact same sarcastic/uber-cool/unflappabl y-snarky style. It's part of what makes his characters so deceptively one-dimensional. OOH! He's fetishizing theoretical technology again! My God, the man's a limitless portal of ideas!
Frank Frazetta's
by Gelatinousman
Aug 20th, 2008
11:42:21 AM
DRACULA MEETS THE WOLFMAN was meh. On the other hand, Frank Frazetta's Creatures was much fun. Pick it up.
"OOH! He's fetishizing theoretical technology again!"
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
11:54:16 AM
LMAO
Laser Astonishing Ellis
by optimous_douche
Aug 20th, 2008
12:06:29 PM
Was the Weatherman ever snarky or sarcastic? Also I don't ever remember Jack hawksmoor or Midnighter ever cracking wise.

If you read the issue and feel this way, we'll hhave to agree to disagree. If you haven't read it though, remember that writers do have the ability to grow over time.

Each of the charchters in this issue had their own voice, that's my review and I'm sticking to it.

"One of Ellis’ greatest gifts is his ability to change voice on
by hst666
Aug 20th, 2008
12:29:01 PM
You're kidding, right? That's generally been his greatest weaknesses. Too many of his characters sound the same and talk in Ellis speak. He has done well on some books and he may be doing well here, but it is far from his greatest strength.
a dime"???
by hst666
Aug 20th, 2008
12:29:39 PM
See previous note
I did not see Laserhead's post
by hst666
Aug 20th, 2008
12:44:36 PM
But I agree, Ellis's biggest weakness is writing two-dimensional characters that exist to advance the plot. He excels sometimes (Planetary, Fell, Desolation Jones) Other times (Stormwatch, The Authority, Orbiter) it drags down his work.
I love Ellis
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
12:45:21 PM
His Thunderbolts may be one of the best things ever. Planetary is. His X-men... mmmmm... maybe, we'll see, but am I alone in being not so hot on the art? Maybe its the coloring or maybe its both... either way, I don't think I'm a fan.
Stormwatch and Authority were great too.
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
12:47:49 PM
I think you're mistaking "2-D" for "similarly flavored"

Also, what other reason is there for a character to exist besides for the sake of the story or as you say: advancing the plot?
optimus
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
01:17:54 PM
Haven't read his X-Men, and won't, but your comment said the changing voices had always been one of his strengths, not that it was a new development. I remember Hawksmoor and Midnighter cracking wise all the time, actually. Each of them always had an uber-cool/unflappably tough/cynically humorous one-liner before turning their enemies into paint.

I like some of Ellis's stuff, 'Planetary', 'Authority', 'Thunderbolts' for instance. But, no, the voice of all the characters in all those books is the same.

re: Joenathan- what reason is there for a character to exist--
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
01:21:49 PM
If a character exists merely to advance the plot, that is a shallow, one-dimensional character. Ideally, character and story serve one another in a symbiotic relationship. The character's decisions and actions propel the story, while the events of the story act to reveal layers of characterization so that, in that way, the story exists to mine characterization. Without credible, dimensional characters, a 'story' isn't worth a shit, and doesn't have any kind of spark of life to it-- it just remains an empty concept without drama.
Fair Enough Laser
by optimous_douche
Aug 20th, 2008
01:23:27 PM
I can see where they would come across that way, but I think there is a distinct difference between the occasional one-off and making every line of dialogue a punch line.

That's a bit more of what I was going for.

Joenathan Astonishing Art
by optimous_douche
Aug 20th, 2008
01:26:37 PM
I'm intrigued. You're not alone in this analysis; a lot of people are not digging Bianchi's art on this title. I just don't get why and the hate hasn't really been clearly articulated by other reviewers.

I think he did some daring work on the panel layouts and I loved the detail of the splash pages.

This one truly boggles my mind, but I would love some clarity.

what I mean is
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
01:28:11 PM
characters provide all the emotions in any piece-- from surface emotions like suspense, drama, and humor, to deeper and more subtle ones like, say, heartbreak. We only CARE about a story to the degree we care about its characters. A concept is just a concept, a plot just a system of contrivances, if there is no character, and the richer and deeper the character, the more profoundly affected we as readers are.

True story.

I agree about the Whedon stuff, Optimus
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
01:29:08 PM
and to that degree I find Ellis' characters more palatable than Whedon's jokey high-schoolers.
New Universe was decent..
by Pops Freshemeyer
Aug 20th, 2008
01:45:01 PM
Well, okay, for a few months. Think I had all of the first issues but only followed DP7, Psi Force and the first seven or eight issues of Star Brand. Wasn't a fan of Justice, the football thing, or Spitfire or whatever the robot book was called...
Laserhead...
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
01:48:15 PM
That is still, at its core, exisitng to advance the plot.
Bianchi's art
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
01:52:13 PM
I don't know, I think maybe its mostly the coloring, which a lot of the time seems muddy. I guess the lines are pretty clean, if sometimes a little vague, but mostly its alright, maybe a different colorists would wow me, but for now, I don't hate, but I deinitely would not call Bianchi a favorite.
Joe
by Laserhead
Aug 20th, 2008
01:57:30 PM
but you could also say, at its core, that the story exists to advance characterization. Ideally, character=story/story=characte r. This is perhaps a bit much to put on your average comic, but that to me is good writing.
Plot/characters
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
02:05:05 PM
Depending on the writer, the plot is merely a vehicle to advance the characters. I mean, I love some good sci-fi and expionage and intrigue and such, but the REAL meat for me, as a writer, is: did my characters grow, for better or worse? The characters advance the plot, but the plot should serve the characters, unless its a Michael Bay movie.
True
by Joenathan
Aug 20th, 2008
02:06:21 PM
but I don't think you can fault characters for what is basically their reason-for-being unless, of course, its a really bad deus-ex-mchina type thing. I think people often too easily dismiss coincidence in a story without giving thought to how much things in their own lives: "just happen"

Either way, I disagree with this critique when it comes to Ellis's X-Men.
In other words...
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 20th, 2008
02:06:28 PM
...what Laserhead said, just a few minutes before I hit "post."
Trinity
by nyj_et
Aug 20th, 2008
02:07:56 PM
Wasn't there a "TRINITY EVENT" during the nineties? GLC Rules!
I agree that everyone in Whedon's worlds
by hst666
Aug 20th, 2008
02:15:53 PM
tend to be wittier than people in the real world, but his characters still have distinct personalities. The same criticism could be made about the characters in any of Whedon's TV shows, but the charcaters are all distinct and have depth. Regardless of the density of witticisms exclaimed, that cannot be said for all of Ellis's characters.
Hey, I'm the guy who is still pro Trinity
by Jinxo
Aug 20th, 2008
02:37:49 PM
I'm saying I'm still reading. My comparison to COuntdown had more to do with comparing two weekly books than suggesting Trinity was an event style comic. And I do think the premise has an inherent flaw that is putting some people off. They start right off promising you a huge almost apocalyptic story featuring the three leads. Then that event is pushed to the back burner and becomes about an ever expanding cast of supporting players as much as it is about the "trinity". I'm not saying the story won't be good, I'm saying starting out by foreshadowing something so huge... well that foreshadowing is going to overshadow anything seemingly lesser that is thrown in before the big event. Again, it's like telling your kid your going to Disneyworld and then on the way stopping to play putt putt mini-golf, stopping at Dr. Fred's Crocodile Wrestling, at the Museum of Famous Monkeys... On their own those attractions would likely be entertaining but when you have your brain set and ready for Disneyworld they can seem less attractions and more distractions from the main goal.

And the purple gorilla was only so so for me. Crime Syndicate stuff those is a bunch of fun. I'd pay to read a book about the horrible Girl Scout Cookie War quite frankly. And my concern with the story flaw goes more towards the fact that the expectations it raised early on and then disappointed some folks on goes less towards whether in the long term the story ends up kicking ass and more towards the fact that even if it does kick ass many people won't stick around long enough to see that.
Gargoyles:Bad Guys #4 out today!
by ballyhoo
Aug 20th, 2008
04:27:50 PM
Check it out Gargoyle fans!
Brook Turner?
by DennisMM
Aug 20th, 2008
05:21:28 PM
Brook Frakkin' Turner? Jeezus, I remember him as a sweet kid who did spot illos and the occasional cover for my fanzine, back in my Iowa days. 15 years is a long, long time in a young man's life. Glad to see he's getting some work, if only from another Iowan (Hester, who's not a bad fella at all).
Identity Crisis #1 (2004) Lithograph
by tubuku69
Aug 20th, 2008
09:25:05 PM
http://tinyurl.com/5fchen (ebay auction) 13x19 signed by the late great Michael Turner and Rags Morales (signed not printed as part of poster)-mint condition.
Bianchi...
by loodabagel
Aug 20th, 2008
10:41:28 PM
The misshapen panels do nothing for the story other than occasionally annoy. She's not doing anything dynamic or exciting with them, ala J H Williams. The colors in the book appear very muted and muddy. The backgrounds are often an incoherent jangle of theoretical machines or nothing at all. Many characters (most notably Storm) have an odd, stretched look to their face, as if skin had been pulled straight over their malnourished skulls. Basically, the characters look ugly. Multiple splash pages in a row really just piss off most readers. Those are the problems I have with Simone Bianchi's art. However, Beast's costume is an improvement, but personally, I think Beast running around with a horse head on his dick would have been an improvement to the John Cassady costume.
My mistake...
by loodabagel
Aug 20th, 2008
11:18:06 PM
Simone is apparently also a man's name.
Coloring
by Toonol
Aug 20th, 2008
11:40:03 PM
I don't think coloring has been getting its share of blame for ruining comics. So many titles are colored in what seems to be slightly varying hues of dark muddled gray. Other titles color everything with CG highlights that make superman's costume look like it's polished chrome. And photoshop blur effects! Aaargh!

Brubaker's Captain America was a great book, but I stopped reading it purely because the coloring was atrocious.

no comments on kirkman's plea to all the talent
by bacci40
Aug 21st, 2008
01:16:32 AM
to leave dc and marvel and come to image to create their own stuff?? would love to hear all your takes on his jerry mcguire moment
Anyone know what's going on with The Ultimates these days?
by Knuckleduster
Aug 21st, 2008
05:13:20 AM
I read the first three issues of Ultimates 3 and then just dropped it because it sucked balls. Like watching Batman and Robin right after seeing The Dark Knight. Madureira's pictures are pretty and all, but it just isn't the Ultimates anymore. Might as well read Avengers.
On Bianchi Lood
by optimous_douche
Aug 21st, 2008
07:02:43 AM
Good points on the looks, I dolike ugly books-- truly. I love Quitely and his peole are pretty dman ugly.

I can't agree on the panel layout though, I thought it was a good use of space.

On Kirkman
by optimous_douche
Aug 21st, 2008
07:04:41 AM
All good stuff in theory. Though the simple fact remains that if you want to be a superstar and get your stuff read by the most eyes,the DC-Marvel machine is still your best friend.

Plus a lot of writers want to tackle the iconic charachters.

Kirkman
by steverodgers
Aug 21st, 2008
08:45:05 AM
I think it's all well in good, but I have to say that although making your own stuff would be great, and that you would in end possibly make more scratch - how could you turn down an opportunity to pen a slug fest between red skull and captain a, or rocket raccoon and a hundred killer space clowns etc... who would have that strength?
X-Men
by Homer Sexual
Aug 21st, 2008
11:04:25 AM
I believe Bianchi did Wolverine, I seem to remember him doing an arc featuring Sabretooth, and his art worked for that book.

I am not reading Astonishing anymore, but I did just pick up Uncanny 501, and I was totally underwhelmed by #500. But then the Greg Land art seemed so apropo for this book, I had to buy it...and even liked it.

It's all about the right art for the right book. Quitely is my favorite artist, but I don't think I'd love him as much on Brubaker's X-Men as I did on Morrison's, for example. And Bianchi's "messy" style doesn't work on a book that is better suited to "tighter" art.

And maybe I'll check out Booster, a character I like but whose book I never considered picking up even for a second. But that review did make it sound good.

We discussed Kirkman on the "Shoot The Messenger" TB. But you have to really develop a following before a creator can do what he suggested. If Palmiotti/Grey did that, I'd be all over it...unless it was in B&W, that is a real deal breaker for me unless you're Los Bros. Hernandez.

Kirkman
by Joenathan
Aug 21st, 2008
11:21:35 AM
yeah, check out the last talkback, where it was discussed at length, but to me, it sounds like a little bit of sour grapes on Kirkman's part over the various fates of his marvel works.

Also: I love Quietly and Cassidy, they're my favorites.

As for Ultimates, I think the only way to truly describe that book is that it is currently sucking Donkey Balls. Did anyone hear if Marvel shitcanned it or what? The sales drop off and the fact that its so generally retarded is why they wooed Millar back, you know... because he's awesome.
WHAT?!? An @$$hole who doesn't hate Judd Winick...
by MrSensitive
Aug 21st, 2008
01:59:08 PM
I'm shocked...shocked!
Somebody...
by HiWayRobry
Aug 21st, 2008
10:15:22 PM
needs to bring back The Champions and update them. Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction or Robert Kirkman would be perfect. Get it done!
Winnick
by rock-me Amodeo
Aug 22nd, 2008
09:01:17 AM
Ah...I don't hate him either. I just wish he would write up to his level. And occasionally, I wince at some odd things. Like this last issue of GA/BC, he introduces a guy who takes EVERYTHING literally. Very concrete. Okay, that's fine. Then why does he, like a page later, say, "Vampire. So is that like a metaphor or something?" That guy should have been the first to just accept it at face value, and the last to consider it a metaphor, especially in a world full of metas. Sloppy, thinks I.
Winnick
by optimous_douche
Aug 22nd, 2008
10:30:27 AM
Loved his run on Green Arrow, just did not dig Titans at all.
I hate Winnick...
by Joenathan
Aug 22nd, 2008
10:35:43 AM
Proudly. Barry Ween was sometimes funny, otherwise that guy is CCCCCCAAAA-RRRRRAAAAAPPPPPYYYY !

by Homer Sexual
Aug 22nd, 2008
11:41:15 AM
oops, sorry for the blank post
by Homer Sexual
Aug 22nd, 2008
11:43:32 AM
Had to say that I actually like Winnick, I think I'm the a$$hole who doesn't hate him, but I said that in a different TB. That's where I said he's one of the only writers who could make me interested in Green Arrow/Black Canary. He's not one of my top 3 or anything, but I like him well enogh. His Exiles rocked, too.
Rocked?!?!?!
by Joenathan
Aug 22nd, 2008
12:41:27 PM
Dude... Rocked? Come on... "was marginally entertaining" is perhaps a better fit.
Winnick
by MrSensitive
Aug 22nd, 2008
01:23:08 PM
Wow, how times have changed, I remember when a review of a Winnick book brought out all the Haterade drinkers who thought you couldn't write a comic book if you're friends with someone with AIDS.
Oh... is that Winnick's defense for being terrible?
by Joenathan
Aug 22nd, 2008
02:12:09 PM
I had a Grandfather who died of high blood pressure, does that mean I get to have a job writing comics at a sub-par level?
Guys, to be fair to Winick, here's the real reason he still has
by SleazyG.
Aug 22nd, 2008
02:38:11 PM
He's apparently a very nice guy, and he's made friends with some important people in the business, and yes, that can take you a fair distance in your career. Also, as much as I think his stuff stinks, he's dependable and always on time. His books don't sell like wildfire, but they sell well enough, apparently--and the do it every single month. Sometimes the companies aren't looking for a genius with crazy ideas who's gonna set the world on fire--but be behind schedule constantly, no matter what they do. Sometimes they just want a solid, regular old plugger to keep stuff rolling along, status quo. And, frankly, I've seen worse writers stick around for extended periods.

But I just won't buy stuff he writes any more, cuz I tend to, y'know, hate it.

Well, I honestly did love Exiles
by Homer Sexual
Aug 22nd, 2008
02:49:22 PM
I still re-read his Exiles run occasionally, it is honest to God a favorite of mine. I thought it was fairly original and highly entertaining. Of course, my second favorite Exiles writer (only on Exiles, hate him on everything else) was...wait for it...Chuck Austen. Who sucked? Bedard and worst of all, Claremont. Claremont forced me to drop a book I had loved for a long time.
I think I hate him even more because...
by Joenathan
Aug 22nd, 2008
04:33:21 PM
Exiles has potential to be amazing and crazy and weird and awesome, but instead it was just... it was just...

Also, just because you show up doesn't mean you can play ball, regardless of what Keanu claims.
Winnick's a nice guy?
by Laserhead
Aug 23rd, 2008
08:20:49 AM
On that old season of The Real World he's a TOTAL CREEP. Such an overly-sensitive POSTURING pussy; like he'd take a stand against any issue, no matter how small, if he thought it made him appear sensitive. His attitudes and proclamations were very tied to whoever was around to hear them. He was an opportunistic douche who practically stalked the women in the house, trying to get them to feel vulnerable and open so he could awkwardly lurch in for a kiss.

And, as a writer, I've never read anything by him that was any better than 'competent' and plenty that was 'god-awful'.

Laserhead takes The Real World WAY too seriously...
by MrSensitive
Aug 23rd, 2008
10:02:46 AM
Sounds like your main problem with Winnick is that he got on MTV and has a career in comics. Is it possible Winnick took a stand on an issue because he actually had strong feelings about it? Not everyone does this by making posts on message boards...
That's funny...
by loodabagel
Aug 23rd, 2008
03:10:26 PM
Frank Quitely is my favorite artist.
I think MrSensitive IS Judd Winnick!
by Joenathan
Aug 23rd, 2008
08:19:20 PM
ADMIT IT, WINNICK! ADMIT IT!
OK,you caught me, I confess...
by MrSensitive
Aug 25th, 2008
08:00:40 AM
...and for the record, Judd Winnick is just my pen name, when I'm not writing under my true identity, Alan Moore (the Real World guy was a paid stand-in).
I can't believe I'm typing this: Final Crisis=EPIC FAIL
by Psynapse
Aug 26th, 2008
11:39:49 AM
In all seriousness, the first issues fo both Rogue's Revenge and Legion of 3 Worlds were more entertaining than all 3 issues of FC released to date. That's just sad, DC.

PS-Dear Grant Morrison: Please stop buying into your own hype like Mr. Bendis has because your work is starting to be as yawn inducing as his. The world has enough boring bald men already don't you think?

If not his "hype", then how about his "sales"?
by Joenathan
Aug 26th, 2008
01:57:19 PM
Maybe you're yawning so much because your brain needs more oxygen...
Sales do not automatically equate to quality
by Psynapse
Aug 27th, 2008
08:47:09 AM
Michael Bolton sold millions of records. If you try to tell me that shows what a great musician he was I will laugh you off the planet. I yawn when bored, such as right now, dealing with a one track minded, knuckle dragging endorsement for mandatory abortions such as yourself.
Michael Bolton is a Singer, not a musician
by Joenathan
Aug 27th, 2008
09:28:36 AM
Its so funny how haters and their weird little grudges always seem to retreat to that oh-so-convenient defense, as if LACK of sales somehow DO equate quality. Amazingly enough, it can also be applied as a convenient metaphor for your social life as well, kids! There’s hope yet!

Look, regardless of whatever you may believe, when you are consistently one of the top sellers every month AND the company's regular Go-To guy when it comes to the major events.... then YES, you CAN believe your hype, because until the people stop buying, then the proof is in the monthly pudding. Quality is in the eye of the Beholder and a matter of personal taste, but there’s no denying mass appeal.

Unless you’re one of those lame douchebags who only claim to like things because other people don’t yet know about it… you’re not one of THOSE people… are you?

Anyway, all you're doing is whining vacuously and without merit. Please, please, TRY to come up with a valid reason you think the story is a failure when you couldn’t even guess at what the end result is going to be yet. I know you can't, beyond you're creepily pervasive dislike for some creators, but I breathlessly await your attempt.

And actually, you yawn because of oxygen deprivation. It’s a biological imperative. So yes… you were yawning because your brain needs more oxygen…
It's cuet when you try to pretend like you matter to anybody
by Psynapse
Aug 27th, 2008
11:43:55 AM
Really. (*_^)

But apparently it's not weird for pedantic little haters like you try to throw that label onto everyone they disagree with. I sincerely pity any person that actually has to interact with you in real life. And ANYONE who buys their own hype is is pretty much as mentally deficient as yourself.

Hey @$$holes, have you wondered why the Cogs have all but abandoned the column? You can thank people (term used in the loosest connotation possible) like Mr. JoeNathan The Troll here. *mwah*

what does "cuet" mean?
by Joenathan
Aug 27th, 2008
12:27:52 PM
Oh kettle, my kettle...
It's what is known as a "typo"
by Psynapse
Aug 27th, 2008
12:44:38 PM
Which is shorthand for a typographical error. And only a REEAALLY sad ( and desperate!)troll like you would try to use something so minor as a diss. Honestly Junior Mint, if you ever intend to be an effective troll you're gonna have to step up your game A LOT.

Then again, you HAVE shown yourself to be both ignorant and immature quite consistently. Lemme guess, no branches on that family tree? Either that or mommy consuming serious amounts of alcohol and drugs (which she likely needed to cope with being being unable to get the coat hanger far enough up herself) during your natal gestation would go a long way toward explaining a eugenic throwback like you.

man, psynapse, its called a joke.
by Joenathan
Aug 27th, 2008
01:31:59 PM
you are just a sad, bitter little man, aren't you? I mean, life must have really taken a dump on you somewhere, huh? You're so threatened and so offended so easily all the time. Whats up with that? It really makes you a generally unpleasant person to interact with, man, I'm sorry. I can only imagine what you must be like in person. I mean, go back and read your bile drenched and hate filled last post. You need to relax a bit, that kind of bottled up hatred is not good for you. If this is how you live your life, then I genuinely feel sorry for you.

You know, if it will make you feel better, we don't have to interact, I'm okay with that. I'm here to talk comics, not make your life any worse, so why don't we just avoid each other, ok?
Oh I know a joke when I see one
by Psynapse
Aug 27th, 2008
02:39:31 PM
I'm posting to one right now. You have yet to post in reply to a point of mine that wasn't nothing more than an insult barrage directed at me personally (Seriously, NOT ONCE have you addressed my statements without telling me how deficient I am for making them. Now, when I decide to hand you back some of your own funk you can't handle it and have to resort to trying to put me down even further. Way to show you can't take what you dish out you fucking pussy. You chose to come after me so suck it up you punk little bitch. "I'm here to talk comics" my ass. I'm fine with it though because this last post of yours truly shows what vacillating (ooh too many 10 cent words for ya?) piece of shit you really are.

Lesson the first fuckwit, some people (especially if you don't know them for fuck all) should not be fucked with randomly. But again, it's all good, keep backpedaling and trying to blame me for what a useless chunk of afterbirth you really are.

wow...
by Joenathan
Aug 27th, 2008
04:03:26 PM
you are 10 lbs of nuts in a 5 lb bag, man...
Not quite...
by Psynapse
Aug 28th, 2008
08:46:03 AM
I am someone who doesn't suffer dipshits like you lightly. Like I said, as soon as someone treats you as rudely as you treat others you whine and try to blame them. It's not working just so you know.

I repeat (though I suspect this is quite common for people having to deal with you): You have yet to rebutt a single point of mine that didn't involve insulting me for simply making them. All you do is hurl insults so take it like you dish it or (and this would be preferred by more than me I'm sure) sit down and shut the fuck up.

what was your point, crazy?
by Joenathan
Aug 28th, 2008
09:34:23 AM
I must have missed it within the giant word vomit that are your posts. Please repeat them and I will expose them for the absolute blithering nonsense that they are, you big ball of unhinged insanity. In my mind, I see you bent over your keyboard, red faced and spitting as you angrily pound out your little rebuttals... and it makes me giggle.
Shows how little you know (Go figure)
by Psynapse
Aug 28th, 2008
10:39:55 AM
I have been in fact, quite calm as I have typed every bit of this. My point (which you make for me with every post of your own) is that you are a pathetic little troll whose idea of debate is merely an insult tirade against anyone you don't agree with. And I'd take crazy over being a pedantic and pedestrian waste of space like you. Well, you must not be total waste of space as I'm sure your Dad really values his late night sweaty pumps up your ever widening sphincter.

You were stupid enough to mess with someone you don't know at all, now deal with the consequences you little bitch.

you are so crazy, it is amazing
by Joenathan
Aug 28th, 2008
01:03:48 PM
Do you read the stuff you write? Incredible. You may get the award for the most bile filled ball of insane-o-hate ever.

Anyway, I thought you had a point about comics you want to debate, but... apparently not.

Sooooo, moving on to your "intended" topic: I find your point about me completely without merit as you are incorrect in your assumption over both what my idea of the definition of debate is(I believe debate is a parade of screamed incoherencies.) AND what my Dad and I do with my sphincter each night (fart choir).

Also, I love the fact that you seem to believe that any of this has been a hardship for me, as if your rambling diatribes affect anything in the real world in any way, other than people's opinion of your sanity that is. Your world is fascinating. Please keep posting and show me more, you giant nut ball.

Some questions I would like you touch on are:

What do you do for a living?

Do you find it fulfilling?

Do people shy away from you in public or appear nervous when alone with you?

Do you find yourself often having to take calming breaths?

How many times have the Police had to escort you from a store or public area?

Do you live alone?

Do you believe that people respect you?

How would you classify your relationship with your parents: Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Multiple Choice: A store refuses to refund your money for a item you purchased that doesn't perform to your satisfaction. Do you: A. Scream in red faced rage. B. Flip out and threaten to sue. C. Grab the nearest stapler and hurl it at the Customer Service Rep. D. Spit. Or E. All of the above.

Thanks in advance for your answers. I breathlessly await your response. :)
"I came here to talk comics"
by Psynapse
Aug 28th, 2008
01:39:08 PM
That was your line of bullshit not mine. My initial post in this column was solely about comics. Your very first post in response to mine was to belittle me for having an opinion yet again. I repeat (something that appears quite necessary where you are concerned) you can dish it out but you can't take it.

You seem to assume I give a shit about anything regarding you other than now harassing you for being the worthless troll that you are. I don't.

You think these posts are hate filled? I'd have to say that's categorically impossible as in order to hate you have to care. The only thing I could possibly care about where a sad testament of humanity like you is concerned is in perhaps getting to watch be hit by a bus. Have you ever considered suicide Joe? You'd win a Darwin Award on the spot I'm sure.

ah....
by Joenathan
Aug 28th, 2008
01:45:18 PM
you didn't address any of my points.

Rude much?
Where you're concerned?
by Psynapse
Aug 28th, 2008
02:08:54 PM
You betcha.

The only 'point' you've made is to insult me repeatedly. Not be all schoolyard but hey, you did start first. Like I've said numerous times already you can dish it out but can't take it at all. But keep trying though, it's funny to watch you try to dig out of the troll hole you've dug for yourself.

Then again, I suspect this is the closest you actually get to interacting with people (though I'm sure anyone that knows you personally is grateful for that).

you still haven't addressed any of my questions
by Joenathan
Aug 28th, 2008
02:22:56 PM
just sayin... irony...
You ARE as retarded as you seem aren't you?
by Psynapse
Aug 28th, 2008
03:30:12 PM
Thinly-veiled insults aren't valid questions you twat. No, irony would be you actually expressing an intelligent idea. Try again troll, it's been amusing observing you deluding yourself that you matter. Bored now.....
"No, irony would be you actually expressing an intelligent idea.
by Joenathan
Aug 28th, 2008
04:03:05 PM
That would only be irony if I HADN'T intended to do so in the first place.

If you're bored, then quit responding... if you can...
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